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1938 battery carrier set up ?

Submitted by simon_amos on Thu, 16/08/2012
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On my 38 ES2 I have a postwar battery carrier off a I don't know what and a replica Lucas box to hide my modern battery. I think it looks ok, however I would be more happy with the original type setup. Looking at pictures in books and the 1938 brochure it seems they were fitted with those T looking batteries of which you can get dummy replicas. What does the actual carrier look like though and how is battery attached ? There doesn't seem to be an outside band holding the battery. I have an excellent copy of a 1938 parts list and I have looked and looked but there doesn't seem to be a carrier listed or pictured.

Submitted by karl_higgs on Thu, 16/08/2012

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Hello Glenn,

Ihave attached an image of the correct carrier for your 38 ES2, the carrier is secured to the chassis via the earth post stud and bolt and the twobottom studs that also secure the oil tank to the chassis. In addition the original bakelite battery had through bolts/studs cast into the body of the battery, the batterysimply sat on the arms of the carrier, with the two through bolts/studssecured by two nuts, hope this helps.

Best Regards,Karl.

Attachments imageCAU9CGYR.jpg

Submitted by karl_higgs on Thu, 16/08/2012

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Previously wrote:

On my 38 ES2 I have a postwar battery carrier off a I don't know what and a replica Lucas box to hide my modern battery. I think it looks ok, however I would be more happy with the original type setup. Looking at pictures in books and the 1938 brochure it seems they were fitted with those T looking batteries of which you can get dummy replicas. What does the actual carrier look like though and how is battery attached ? There doesn't seem to be an outside band holding the battery. I have an excellent copy of a 1938 parts list and I have looked and looked but there doesn't seem to be a carrier listed or pictured.

Hello Glenn,

I have just uploaded someimages ofthe original T shaped battery that was fitted to my 1938 International, please click the following link to view the pictures:

http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php

Best Regards,Karl.

Submitted by karl_higgs on Thu, 16/08/2012

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Previously wrote:

On my 38 ES2 I have a postwar battery carrier off a I don't know what and a replica Lucas box to hide my modern battery. I think it looks ok, however I would be more happy with the original type setup. Looking at pictures in books and the 1938 brochure it seems they were fitted with those T looking batteries of which you can get dummy replicas. What does the actual carrier look like though and how is battery attached ? There doesn't seem to be an outside band holding the battery. I have an excellent copy of a 1938 parts list and I have looked and looked but there doesn't seem to be a carrier listed or pictured.

Sorry Glenn, this is the correct link to show the battery:

http://imageshack.us/g/189/slucasbattery011.jpg/

Best Regards,Karl.

Submitted by simon_amos on Fri, 17/08/2012

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Thanks very much Karl and Richard. Just the information I needed. Now the million dollar question, is there anywhere you know of selling these replica carriers before I go trying to make one myself ? Searched the net for over an hour with no results. Also, the replica T batteries seem to come in either a hard form (not sure what those are made of) or a rubber form. Which do you think would be more authentic if by chance you have seen them before ? Funny thing is, although I can find plenty of the replica batteries they none seem to come with those clips that hold the lid on.

Glenn

Submitted by karl_higgs on Fri, 17/08/2012

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Hello Glenn,

Trythese linksfor the clips:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lucas-replica-T-shape-Battery-Lid-Clips-1930s-/170895879972?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item27ca302f24

http://www.vintage-motorcycle.com/index.php?language=en&site=9&suchtext=lucas+t+battery+clips

and this link for the carrier (this appears to be a genuine Norton item and is the image I used in my previos email):

http://www.vintage-motorcycle.com/index.php?language=en&site=4&pid=182&id=15919&suchtext=norton carrier&limit=0

With regard to the battery box I have used theblack plastictype case, purchased from carrot cycles, the case has excellent detailing, you will need to drill the holes for the through bolt/studs and if you are using the original spring, double pronged type clips you will also need to drill holes for these, if however you choose to use the hinged type clips they share the same hole as the battery through bolt/stud,here is the link for the battery case:

http://www.carrotcycles.co.uk/CYCLE-AND-ENGINE-PARTS/BATTERY-CASES/LUCAS-NORTON-T-SHAPE-BATTERY-CASE/prod_664.html

Best regards,Karl.

Submitted by simon_amos on Fri, 17/08/2012

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Thanks very much Karl for these links. Have you seen the hard rubber cases on anyones bikes ? I was just wondering how they compare in looks compared to the plastic versions. I have a replica normal battery box made in plastic but I find the look to be, what shall I say, plasticky. From what I can see in photo's on the net the rubber ones have a bit more authentic surface look to them. But it is hard to tell in photo's. I notice the ones on Cornucopia and British Austria sites are fibreglass. Ahhh, decisionsdecisions.

Submitted by richard_payne on Fri, 17/08/2012

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That's a very nice battery Karl. It even looks as if it would still work !

I've just received my August 'Roadholder' and see that the NOC Spares scheme is now making replicas. They use a post-war part number but it looks to be the same part. It's a real shame that the 1946 parts list didn't include any supersession details for the pre-war parts.

Just on the offchance. Does anyone have a pre-war large Ni-Fe (Nickel-Iron) battery that they could photograph for me ? There are no replicas available for those and I want one !

Submitted by simon_amos on Sat, 18/08/2012

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Just goes to show, one should alway's check the NOC shop for updates before spending hours searching the net elsewhere. I'm away working at the moment so will look forward to browsing both my July & August issues on my return.

 


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