Multible issue nightmare,on going. For reasons of Anno Domini, I decided to go for the Norvil electric start on my Mk2a, all well and good on return from my engineer ,but on maiden trip out it cut out on the way home,left for a while it restarted and i nursed it home, Thought it was one of those things and gave it another go Disaster on the way home, missing,jerking, kangerooing .Backed into a field put it on the stand it promptly fell over. House nearby provided help to up right it. 4 hours later, rescued by breakdown people.Long story, got it to my engineer guru by dint riding 40 miles, faultlessly stopping for chips in Ledbury , Goes berserk on restart same as before, Guru, at bottom of hill so freewheel it down to mechanic. Fortnight later found the problem to be, no heat resistance on the Sparx electric ignition coils under the cam cover. Job done, Eurika ride home fine no probs ,change oil/filter at home only to find tiny ball bearing(2mm) on magnetic drain plug on oil tank.de formed by its journey Where do you begin on this one? ( may need edit)
Loose Balls
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I bet its been in the oil…
I bet its been in the oil tank for years, quite possibly from when it was made. Is the 'ball' polished like a ball bearing? if it isn't and looks like a lumpy ball of slag it could be from when the tank was welded together. Then, when the bike fell over in the field, it got its chance to stick to the magnetic drain plug.
How hard is the 'ball'?
Has the oil tank been repaired in the past? The bottom mounting is notorious for cracking around it. If so, the repair could have introduced the 'ball' Think about it, for the 'ball' to exit the engine it has to get past the scavenge pump suction strainer (the one in the bottom of the engine) through the oil pump and then through the oil filter and hence to the oil tank.
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I feel your frustration
Thanks for your post Alec,
It just confirms I'm not the only one who experiences these 'one thing after another' and 'normally, that shouldn't happen' things that drive you mad with both anger or frustration. They do make for added experience and good stories afterwards. But I do feel your frustration, especially in that field.
First Mick, I would have never thought of those grease nipples. Can't think where these could in any way could get into the engine, but they indeed contain tiny balls.
And Peter had the same thought I had: welding spats. Try 'sticking' one to your vice and hit it with a hammer. If it's a welding spat ball, it should flatten a bit. Alternatively, you can try to file (you'll feel immediately), but holding the ball will be a problem.
After your stroke of bad luck, it's easy to think in the bleakest scenarios, but Peter's advice does sound sensible. Sometimes things aren't as bad as they seem.
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Balls to Bearings update
Thanks all for the replys, however the scenario in the original post has just repeated itself, this time 10 miles from Winchester athwart theA30 ,the autobarn place.a lot worse places than that to break down believe me (,plus a free coffee) the same feeling of creeping misfire and engine cutout on the overun as I coasted to the junction.Paddled it across the A30 Left it half an hour and tried again. No show, lost my nerve and initiated the rescue process,again Only a spritely 3 hours later got rescued and delivered to my mechanic in Ledbury at going on 9 p.m. Lift to Hereford , train to Newport, read in the paper on the way that Severn tunnels closed . No trains . Now 11p.m.Told by Staff to come back in the morning. .Three full Hotels later and a £100 lighter , caught the 5.25 a.m Milktrain home train via Gloucester . Theres a good story in there to be sure but its too soon. Incidently, my mechanic says the ball bearing most likely from his benchlift when draining the oil. Powerful magnate put down on well used bench. Makes more sense than tiny B.B going through the oil pump and not blowing the engine up. I"ll take that. Just leaves the original problem of what is setting it off? Off for a lie down now.
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Crumbs Alec - sorry to hear…
Crumbs Alec - sorry to hear about your (mis) adventures! How annoying and it does test your faith in the bike. I hope you can get to the bottom of things - I'm sure the collective wisdom of the forum will be able to help.
Picked my Commando up from Pugh's in Ledbury and enjoyed the countryside on the ride home. Not a great place to stall at the lights though...
Keep us posted on progress.
Tim - you are right - too much beer and not enough thought! Yes tiny BB's but nowhere near the internals of an engine.
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And again.....
I do not recognise this point- CAM COVER? HEAT RESISTANCE ON IGNITION COILS?
Fortnight later found the problem to be, no heat resistance on the Sparx electric ignition coils under the cam cover..
Obviously it wasn't the problem as apparently the bike has failed again. A misfire then cutting out and a later restart, can be due to a flat battery-no charge-easy to sort. But in this a professional mechanic is involved so money should have changed hands under a professional situation and you still have the problem-so back to mechanic to get the job right.
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Sloppy terminology department
Sorry ,Of course I meant the old points cover (Driven by the cam) . A Sparx electronic system Its on a Regulator . New Norvil Electric Start Battery . Single Del Orto 34 Carb. Had this for years. As I understand from the mechanic the advance/retard function of the mini coils on the Sparx set up has lost its ability to withstand heat and thus goes haywire . Any thing electrickery is dark arts to me. The mechanic has done the heavy lifting on the bike for 15 years and has always been reliable .It seems that he had a spare set of Sparx "in a draw" and used that. It may be that it too, was duff. Waiting for the call.
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There are a few makers and…
There are a few makers and suppliers of electronic ignition systems, Boyer, Pazon, Tri-spark, Wassel, as well as Sparx.
Boyer, Pazon and Tri-spark are the only ones carried by AN and RGM. That must tell you something.
The only thing branded sparx i would use is the switch gear for the Mk3, i think they are the only ones supplying them. so its beggars can't be choosers.
I had a sparx voltage regulator fail on my bike when out riding. Didn't just stop working, it failed by outputting AC into the system (at quite some voltage) This killed the electronic ignition and heated the battery up till it nearly exploded.
What make of voltage regulator has the bike got? If sparx, change it for something better. Ditto the ignition. If its cost that bothers you, ask yourself how much public transport has cost to get home after breaking down? Oh and change your mechanic as well.
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Need more info on what the…
Need more info on what the bike has been fitted with. What ignition? Original wiring? A new voltage regulator or still on the original zener? What carbs has it got fitted? etc etc
I;m with Al on the 'no heat resistance on ignition coils under the cam cover' Is that your statement? or from your mechanic? Because it sounds like nonsense.
For your 'mechanic' to say the ball on the drain plug magnet probably came from his work bench just highlights the fact that he is sloppy in his work (allowing the drain plug to roll about in the shite on the bench and not cleaning the drain plug before fitting it)
What work actually has this 'mechanic' done to your bike?
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I agree...
... with comments re the mechanic. I would steer well clear in the future.
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I can't think of any bearings that small in a Norton powerplant. 1/16" is smaller than I've come across even on a bicycle. Is the engine standard or might someone have put an axial thrust race on the cam or something ?