Hi Everyone,
I joined the club last month and finally got my hands on a Mk.3 yesterday, couldn't be happier!
The previous owner bought the bike as is and used it for a few years, but couldn't tell me anything about what has been done to it.
Can anyone give me some information on the starter motor and front brake?
Please see the photos of both.
I am going to rebuild the wheels with stainless spokes as the originals are a mess, but I'm wondering I should leave the front brake as is, I prefer the look of the original.
I was given the original equipment but I think the master cylinder is rusted up.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Pete
starter motor - search this…
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Master Cylinder
Peter Shand is your man too!
If it is savable RGM do a conversion kit to make the original M/C more efficient. Peter can do the machining and fitting for a very reasonable price. He's my go-to engineer for anything Commando related.
Regards
Eddie
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Many thanks for the nice…
Many thanks for the nice comments, I hope i can live up to them!
The original Mk3 starter has a few built in faults that will degrade its performance over time. They can be overcome and the result is a starter that is the match of any available. To do the required modifications means the use of a lathe and the skills to use said machine which for the most part puts this work into the engineers territory.
The front brake can be made to work a lot better. It is one of these things that you can spend a lot of money on to get a better stopper. New bigger disc, Different caliper, stainless brake pipes, etc etc The cheapest way to a better brake is the RGM kit to sleeve the M/C down to 13mm, and unless you have the required skill and equipment it does mean the use of your friendly engineer again.
Search for the articles on starters here and if you want to know more, feel free to PM me
Regards
Peter
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I did the RGM master…
I did the RGM master cylinder conversion using my own drill, tap and squared up on my bench drill. A bit nerve racking but don't risk it unless you feel confident of your ability. I then found out the disc was warped so bought a floating Girling disc but had to chamfer the bottom corner edge of the caliper to clear the disc rivets., no big deal as there's plenty of spare metal. Later on I fitted a braided steel brake hose, only for fear of the original rubber one bursting, the new hose gave it a firmer feel. The front brake now has good grab at town speeds but needs a harder pull at high speeds than modern bikes but I can live with it as it matches it's mores sedate performance.
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keeping up with new bikes
There may be another problem if your commando's performance is sedate. On 'real' roads with a 20t sprocket my original spec MK2a goes like the proverbial off a shovel?! It's an Interpol that came with a 23t which was maybe used on motorways but horrible. After this summers International Rally I will have more feedback (it's def not grabby) on its drilled cast iron disk. I have read these bikes are happiest being ridden close to operating parameters if properly maintained. Win-win in my book.
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Sprockets
My Combat-engined Fastback came with a 24T gearbox sprocket. It accelerated smartly enough in the intermediate gears, but took a long time to build up speed in top. But as Michael suggests, it did cruise in a relaxed way at motorway+ speeds.
Whining noises from the box impelled a rebuild with a complete set of new gears, bearings and shafts, in the course of which I have also switched to a 22T gearbox sprocket. Not enough miles to report sensibly, but the machine certainly feels a bit more spritely.
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Thanks
Hi All, Thank you for the replies, it's greatly appreciated. Sorry for the slow response, I bought a new laptop and it's been a nightmare! I was trying to post some photos, but not worked that one out yet!
I got all the parts to re-fit the original calliper & disc from the previous owner and swapped them over today. I want to fit the original parts with the upgrades suggested above but wanted to make sure I had all the correct wheel spacers, etc. It all went together perfectly. All the parts will need a major refurb, but I just wanted to check the fit, disc clearance, etc.
I intend to rebuild the wheels with stainless spokes and I will need a new steel, chromed rim. Any recommendations? I believe stainless spokes can break, so who does the best quality, double butted?
One thing I noticed, when I measured the distance from each fork leg to the side of the wheel rim, the wheel was off centre, is this normal? I can easily "dish" the wheel when I rebuild it to put the wheel rim in the centre of the forks. I appreciate the disc takes up a bit of room, but it shouldn't be difficult to get the rim in the centre of the forks, or am I missing something?
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Cheers, Pete
P.S. Any Commando owners in Fife?
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The front wheel should run…
The front wheel should run centre in the forks. Measure at the rim not the hub and line up with the headstock not the fork sliders (there's a handy hole down the middle of the steering stem). The front wheel is heavily dished to accommodate the brake and the spacers are different lengths.
Central Wheel https://central-wheel.co.uk/ are good for all things wheel related and have all the data.
And chuck an 18" rim in the back so you can find tyres.
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I prefer Devon Rims to…
I prefer Devon Rims to Central Wheels! I have an original full width wheel that has butted spokes, My rear wheel was rebuilt with a set of Central's spokes which are un butted 9 gauge by a competent wheel builder, sadly I've had two spokes break in the last couple of weeks at the hub end si I am going to have to do it again with butted spokes. My thought is that plain 9 gauge stainless spokes aren't up to the job (this is on my es2) and that butted spokes are preferred. My opinion anyway!
Dan
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starter motor - search this forum, especially posts by Peter Shand,
front brake - a 13mm master cylinder with the original brake caliper is the recommended route, again lots of advice in previous posts on this forum.