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Anyone do a Whitworth helicoil in the London area?

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I fitted a new extended nut to my Model 88 under the left exhaust port. As it began to tighten, the thread stripped. The stud has pulled from the head. That means the head has to come off for a helicoil. Is there anyone in the London area who can do a Whitworth helicoil?

Paul

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What distinction do you draw with a 'threaded insert' instead of a Helicoil?

BTW someone just told me that the thread below the exhaust port is BSF not Whitworth, and is a long thread.

Paul

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A Helicoil is essentially a spring made of diamond shaped cross section wire rather than round . The diamond cross section matches the cross section of the threads being replaced. After boring out the the damaged threads with the proper bit the new hole is tapped for the Helicoil and the Helicoil is then wound in . A threaded insert is a piece of thick walled tubing - usually brass or bronze -threaded on the inside to match original and threaded on the outside . Inserts generally require more material to be removed from original hole

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hello Paul - I have done repairs on those studs in the past. One of the spares shops used to sell a new waisted stud that was 7/16 inch BSW at one end (into the head) and 3/8 inch BSC at the other (through the barrel). The original thread in the head is 3/8 inch BSF. It would have been Taylor Matterson or Joe Francis who supplied it - both gone now sadly. They are easy enough to draw and then get made by Will Horgan at Stainless Classics or Clay Jones at Acme Bolt Maker. A 7/16 BSW tap is easily got. Good Luck , Howard

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A stepped stud would be another solution, again Tracey tools can provide the taps if needed ( other suppliers are available!)

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I had a chat with Ken White, who says that he has long 3/8" BSF helicoils for the job. It just means two trips to Hertfordshire by train and bicycle....

It seems extremely odd to me to thread BSF into alloy, I expected it to be Whitworth. My understanding is that alloy needs the coarse thread, and that's why these threads strip. I'm wondering if it should be repaired Whitworth and try to source a Whit / cycle thread stud to suit. And do both under-exhaust studs

Paul

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Tracy Tools do "thread repair kits" (and loads of lovely taps & dies of all sizes!) but "Helicoil" is a Trade name for essentially the same thing. Whitworth threads are best into alloy - especially castings. It doesn't matter what the original was. I haven't checked for years but I though they were BSF for the nuts but Whit for the stud part.

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Seager Engineering in Ipswich are very good (on the web). Took a 650SS head up to them yesterday for some work. Pat or Jim will sort you out.

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Previously ian_cordes wrote:

The work can be carried out in situ, surely, to save having to remove the head?

I think it would be very tricky given the limited space, and very easy to get it in on a slant. Much safer to have the head off.

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A Helicoil is inherently stronger than an insert because a minimal amount of metal is removed.  The threaded coil is also harder and more resistant to exhaust rose vibration - even when it gets loose.  The alloy casting of the heads is dubious and can be porous - not an ideal situation for a large threaded hole with a hot exhaust pipe in - especially when they work loose!  The only person I know who does Helicoils is RGM in Cumbria.

 


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