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Is there a growing issue with manuals? Several recent posts seem to have been placed by new owners who don't seem to have a manual for Dominators in particular.  RGM list the Hayne, but Haynes don't list it as far as I cam see. An the Neill book seems be out of print. Should this be a matter of concern for the Club? Prewar ones seem to e available on the Net, but not the Dommie ones.

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Luckily, we see some new Norton owners. Some quite young. When new to Nortons, you probably don't know many  people to ask.So you have to find and read printed manuals and part lists. Or going for information on the web. Except for us elderly folks who had no other option than reading printed matter to learn about the bikes, most people today goes to the web for info. So I don't think that it's a lack of manuals that is the problem. It's only the way how to search for answers. Although most needed information is in the manuals, it is not always easy to find and understand it.

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My impression is that  there was little in the way of  explicit manuals  from Bracebridge St , and my early  Norton  work was mostly facilitated by  a Haynes  manual.  Some makers  produced really good  information  ,I can remember being utterly astonished by the detail  on some BSA  literature. Woolwich manuals were better (although John Hudson was not at all impressed by them).

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I posted my Excel list of factory Norton manuals/owner's handbooks and Parts Lists a while ago and it gained no interest ,so I'm not sure why people think there wasn't much forthcoming from Bracebridge Street.  I've accumulated a fair collection of post-war (WW2!) publications.  I also have various Haynes, Mick Walker, Roy Bacon and Steve Wilson books.

I attach a PDF of my own, accumulated over the years from autojumbles and shows as well as electronic versions from the interweb.  It's scary how much some people are trying to sell them for on eBay!  £50 or more!

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Lionel...the problem that concerns me is that new owners, especially of Dommies, will discover that the manuals are all out of print. Profiteering on Ebay will be the result.

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I have often transferred documents to other users if required.  Our job is to share that knowledge. John and Simon have a great library of prewar related docs. on line at their site. I’m sure there are plenty of postwar docs that could be made available without infringement…

Jon

The problem with making them public is that they are nearly all likely to be covered by copyright. Who currently owns the copyright may be obscure, and hence the potential subject of litigation, but in principle someone does.

UK copyright currently is for the life of the author plus 70 years; however, items such as workshop manuals have probably been produced by employees, so the original copyright is likely to have been vested in the factory. Since copyright can be sold, the possible current ownership is anyone's guess.

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Haynes is not the force it once was. The days when many (most?) buyers of used cars went straight to Halford's to buy the Haynes manual are long gone.  My Dommie manual is a proper printed copy, but the last one I saw isa facsimile with relatively poor pictures. The numbers being sold in recent years have probably been too small to justify publishing it any more.  I wonder how much its copyright is worth, and if NOC might consider it to be worth finding out? "Lodgemark Press" published the F.Neill manual "with cooperation of Norton Villiers".  Again...might it be worth finding out if its rights might be obtained from the descendents of Lodgemark Press? Isn't it at least as important as providing  a spares service?

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Try this site  

http://www.classicbike.biz/Norton/Norton.htm

The parts manuals and repair manuals are good from 1960 onwards

I have found earlier manuals on ebay  cheaply

Laurence

 

In reply to by laurence_king

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I have a copy of this (plus other manuals) in F. Neill's hardback publication "Norton Service And Overhaul Manual".  His book has better photo reproduction as the pages have been properly scanned in greyscale.  The photos aren't "sooty" like Classic Bike's.

It is published by Lodgemark Press Ltd. but there is no printing or edition date.  It's a compilation of several original Norton Manuals so is very useful.

It's pretty generic for all twins and Model 50 & ES2 Singles.

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A quick search on Google (which anyone can do!) shows that manuals are available from Amazon (F.Neill) and Andover-Norton.

 


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