What is this?

Here it is again but at a much higher price.

!926, I think it should have a gearbox by then, possibly a bitza. Not eligable for the London to Brighton, no clutch ,so no use on todays roads, possibly good for a project for the Banbury Run?. Wall decoration?.

Gearboxes had been on Nortons for years before 1926 although the Model 9 still had belt drive as late as 1922. The frame shown is designed to take a gearbox and clutch anyway. Nevertheless, Swansea has this vehicle as having been first registered on 23rd August 1926.

Did Norton ever make a 360cc engine? I'm almost certain they did not for 1926 even if one of the very early models was that capacity. However, this machine is registered as having a 360cc motor.

I'm not surprised it failed to sell in 2013 at £9750. I'm off to hide my barge-pole ........

It looks similar to a 16H engine, and the crankcase appears to be stamped 79x100; but then, has an attempt been made to alter it to 70x90, which is the bore and stroke of a 1912 350cc engine? As you say, barge-poles apply, but there are quite a few bids, and no apparent reserve, so someone is set to buy it....

The 16H had a gearbox by 1921.

Didn't Bill Friun create a spurious 350 years ago to confuse the experts. John

If you look at the second posting of the advert as per Johnathan Soon's posting above on Saturday, you'll observe that the capacity has mysteriously grown to 500cc..................

whats the point in worrying about it

Barry. Chris has mentioned one good reason for worrying about it. It highlights the fact that there may be unscrupulous vendors out there flogging items which are not what they are purported to be, in order to catch out the unwary and relieve them of their hard-earned. Done deliberately, that constitutes fraud. The more these things are highlighted, one may hope the less they will occur. It may even be the discussion on here which caused it to be withdrawn, thus preventing the leading bidder from making a mistake.

A positive effect of this forum I would say, wouldn't you?

so whats the next move . are you saying someone is committing fraud. should this be discussed with the appropriate authority or is the club going to ignore the fact. Baz

Exactly. Take a look at my recent News item on the subject of bike fraud which was prompted by a different event notifed to the Club.

Hi Chris.

Excellent article, will it also appear in the Roadholder as it need a wider audience.

Tony

Barry. We are not saying the vendor is 'committing fraud'. We do not know what his intentions are. We are simply saying that all is not as it seems, so caveat emptor.

What is your point?

I have one issue with the advice given in the Caeeat Emptor article. It states as an owner you should never give out your frame and engine numbers and as a buyer you should walk away if the seller refuses to give the frame and engine numbers. Nothing will ever get sold. Needs to be updated so owners only release frame and engine numbers to identified prospective buyers for verification.

Ian, as the webmaster has said the machine is registered with Swansea. also registered with a 360cc motor. thats why i said whats the point in worrying about it . it is what it is . if you are not buying it why worry. if you are, seek the appropriate informed advice. if some one was going to buy it the seller may have lost out because of comments made here, thats all. Baz.

Previously john_holmes wrote:

I have one issue with the advice given in the Caeeat Emptor article. It states as an owner you should never give out your frame and engine numbers and as a buyer you should walk away if the seller refuses to give the frame and engine numbers. Nothing will ever get sold. Needs to be updated so owners only release frame and engine numbers to identified prospective buyers for verification.

Hi John,

Unless I have missed something it only says-

Never openly display any full Engine or Frame Nos. on the web.

Which I would say is good advice.

Tony