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Hi chaps - I'm tearing my hair out with this problem:-

I have a 920 Commando which was fitted with a single 36mm Amal Mk2 carb - it ran OK but starting was always a bit of a problem and it also tended to run 'rich' thus I recently fitted a similar 34mm version. I was delighted with the result and on its first run it was brilliant. On the next run it started from cold fine and I set off - got about 100 yards and it started to misfire and then died. It would only restart with the choke applied and ran like a dog (if I shut the choke off it died immediately). I removed the carb and cleaned it out (although it looked fine in any case). Removed the petrol taps and checked them - good flow and clean filters). Put fresh fuel in the tank and checked and cleaned the fuel tank breather hole in the fuel cap. The plugs look fine (Denso Irridium items which I recently installed)with a good fat spark - Ignition is Tri-Spark Classic Twin). It started fine with choke from cold and I let in run for about a minute and then switched the choke off - the engine started to 'miss' a little and I adjusted the pilot a screw for 'best running' which was about 2 turns out (which seems OK to me) - It then idled and 'picked-up' perfectly. I then set off for a ride and again she 'conked-out' after about 100 yards i.e. the same symptoms a before. I'm convinced that it's a fuelling issue and I'm loathed to change jet settings etc. as the bike ran so well on it's first run but I'm at a total loss as to what the problem may be.Any ideas please ?

Cheers,

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Hi Mark,

I had an almost identical fault on a BSA A10 and that was traced to an air leak on the top of the carb. Some vandal had mashed the threads and it was letting air in weakening the mixture to the extent that if you let go the throttle or moved the choke it died.

When a new carb was fitted it started second kick and ran perfect.

Cheers

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Hello Mark,

Given that the logical conclusion would be that this is a fuel issue, Murphyâs Law says:

âDryâ or otherwise loose joint in the ignition system?

Low battery voltage?

Do you have a spare set of coils to try?

Jamesâ point is relevant as well. I donât know whether the Mk11 concentric has a bolt down top (my development stopped with monoblocs); but a leaking manifold flange, damaged tufnol washer, or warped manifold face would develop the fault as the engine started to warm.

If your Mk11 is rubber mounted, try a blast of WD40 around the joints, when the engine is faltering or Phil Hannamâs wet cloth around the manifold joints, when the fault reappears.

While Iâm whistling in the dark, perhaps one or more of your valve clearances are tight....

Hereâs another:

You have a few joints in your breather pipe, donât you? Perhaps they could do with a tweak. Especially if you noticed a rise in idle speed, when you originally fitted the one-way valve...

When you next try a ride down the road, take a couple of (known good) plugs in your pocket. A couple of large crocodile-clips come in handy then, for clamping plugs to a hot engine for spark checking!

âTis worse than having children, ainât it!

Paul

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Hello Mark,

A bit more about your 920 cutting out.

You said you put fresh fuel in, after it started cutting out. Would that have been from a can in your garage? So maybe just less than a gallon?

I donât want to offend; but are those fuel taps set to âONâ or âRESâ.......?

I think you have an RGM aluminium alloy tank, donât you? I wonder how much fuel has to be in that tank to run the taps at âONâ...

My last message was way after Beer-OâClock and I hadnât had one; so ignore what I suggested about the crankcase breather.

Next thought:

Do you have the carb mounted on some kind of rubber manifold pipe? If so, it may be worth checking that it hasnât split. If there are clips fastening it together, over tightening them can split the pipe. However, I would expect the engine to run very badly all the time like that, not just after 100yds.

If you can get the engine to start, then run with the choke off. When it starts to miss-fire & play up, press the tickler and see if the float chamber actually floods. If it does and you can confirm that the float height (with the engine running) is correct, then the sparks department are the next suspects.

Paul

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Hi all - thanks for the responses - to respond - the Mk2 Amal doesn't have a 'tickler' but has a 'proper' cold-start system (which normally works well). The carb top is a plastic 'screw-on' fitting and is air tight. The fuel tank is a standard steel Interstate item. The petrol is fresh Shell V-Power from the petrol station yesterday. The inlet manifold is the latest 4-bolt RGM item and the carb rubber manifold pipe is brand new with no splits and is a good fit (no leaks). Both petrol taps are non-reserve with clean filters and the fuel flow is good. The carb float and fuel needle look fine and clean.

Although the Carb is virtually new being made by Burlen I would not rule out a blocked jet somewhere thus I'll persevere with checking it out.

Based on adviced I'm beginning to suspect an electrical problem - Prior to my first 'successful' run I'd fitted brand new Tri-Spark high-power ignition coils (they're fitted in series as per Boyer) - perhaps one of these are duff - I'll refit the old Lucas items and see what happens. I would have though valve clearance issues etc. would affect only one cylinder rather than making the bike die as it does.

I'll let you know - - -

Cheers,

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Have you got a Boyer fitted, and has it been on there for a while? If yes then renew the pick up plate. I had a year's worth of 'strange carburation problems' with it running rich when warm and misfiring on certain throttle openings. It was all due to the 'classic' (that's a euphemism!) Boyer fractured pick-up wire.

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Previously wrote:

Have you got a Boyer fitted, and has it been on there for a while? If yes then renew the pick up plate. I had a year's worth of 'strange carburation problems' with it running rich when warm and misfiring on certain throttle openings. It was all due to the 'classic' (that's a euphemism!) Boyer fractured pick-up wire.

Hi all - an update - I've re-checked the carb for leaks, flooding, blocked jets,filters and tubes etc. - I've re-fitted the old coils - the bike started from cold easily enough ran for about 10 seconds and then just 'died' - fitted new plugs (NGK) and restarted - this time it was coughing,backfiring (flames from the offside silencer) and mainly running on the left cylinder. I'm beginning to supect ignition. To re-iterate the ignition is Tri-Spark Classic-Twin (coils are in series - thus 'wasted-spark') - timed correctly with a strobe.I know that Boyer can suffer with intermittent electrics and produce 'weird' effects. The strange thing is that I'm sure I can hear a faint 'ticking' noise coming from the ignition switch when 'off'. All other electrics (lights etc.) seem OK. The battery is at 12.6v. I'll have to re-check all of the ignition wiring, switch contacts etc.

I'll keep you posted - this is so frustrating as I've had to postpone two MOT tests as I've broken down with this fault each time I've tried to get to the test centre. The test centre guys are very understanding !

Cheers

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Previously wrote:

Previously wrote:

.................The strange thing is that I'm sure I can hear a faint 'ticking' noise coming from the ignition switch when 'off'. All other electrics (lights etc.) seem OK. The battery is at 12.6v. I'll have to re-check all of the ignition wiring, switch contacts etc......

Cheers

Hello Mark,

Too bad the fault hasnât shown up yet.

How old is that switch?

In the early 80âs I was given a Ducati 900SS to tidy up and sell for a friend. It had been dropped then stood in a barn for a year or so. After about a month of getting the tank restored and replacing what else was damaged, I came to fire it up.

It wouldnât go apart from a few pops & bangs. When I switched it off I noticed there was a slight âbackfireâ. I stripped the switch and found it quite corroded inside. After cleaning up & reassembling all was well and I felt Iâd been really lucky to fix it so easily.

Worth a shot?

Paul

 


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