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Greetings chaps,

Have an older non-restored 1973, Mk II Roadster (850, well err 828 cc, as far as I am aware engine has never been apart). Not been happy with her performance for a while, she has never been a fast bike (RH10 head) but always had good torque. Starts second kick, drops to an idle quickly, revs fine, while on the stand, but when riding lacks the âhumpfâ and, of late, has a bad vibration when run up in the revs. I have looked at the clutch /alternator rotor, checked timing, looked at frame for cracks, checked the Isolastics, nothing seems loose or out of spec / adjustment.

So I feel might be the âinnardsâ and a bit stumped regarding these the symptoms. Not keen to open up the motor unless all else fails.

Anything obvious here I have missed? Only other thing is possible mains / camshaft but any other checks would be highly regarded that other learned Commando experts could shed some light upon?

Thanks in advance.

Rgds Steve

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I'd be suspicious of the cam being worn. It's a known problem. You can probably estimate the lift by watching or measuring the rocker movement as you turn the engine over. Can't help with how far they should move but if there's any difference between the exhaust or inlet pairs that would indicate a problem. If one cylinder is working harder than the other that might explain the extra vibration too.

Ian

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Thanks Ian,

I believe standard 750 / 850 cam lift is ~ 0.325", so is this a direct reflection of expected rocker movement / depression? Can someone please confirm?

Thanks again all.

Rgds Steve

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Dear Steve,

can't claim to be a learned expert, however you can do a quick check on main bearings to assess free play by removing primary cover and alternator stator. Look closely at inside of stator for signs of rotor rubbing. Also feel for play at rotor any up/down is bad news, there should be a little end float; if you have a dial gauge or can borrow one let us know what it is.

post above re-camshaft is spot on- check the lift is same for both pairs; base circle of cam does not wear so rocker clearance may well be ok.

Finally, when you checked timing - presumably with a strobe was it dancing around at tickover? as this can indicate cam chain /auto advance (if you have points) problems

regards Martin

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Do not ride your bike until you have made sure the layshaft bearing is not falling apart.

If your bike has never been apart , there is a good chance the bearing is original, in which case it needs changing now.

You will have to remove the gearbox covers , ratchet, gears etc and layshaft , normally the bearing will come out with the shaft after heating the gearbox case.

Replace it with either a roller, or the one that Mick Hemmings recommends.

sam

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You might consider checking the ignition timing with a strobe. Do it with the bike on it's wheels not on the centre stand. This will stop it bouncing all over the garage. Easy starting and good tick over might indicate the timing is a little retarded and that will loose you a little va va voom. Another thing is to check the compression. You don't say what ignition system it has or wether it has a single carb conversion. If it's got a standard head steady a couple of new rubbers might be a cheap fix in that department. An indication that your layshaft bearing is failing is that under acceleration the kickstart will flick back. Let us know how you get on.

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Previously steve_adkins wrote:

Thanks Ian,

I believe standard 750 / 850 cam lift is ~ 0.325", so is this a direct reflection of expected rocker movement / depression? Can someone please confirm?

Thanks again all.

Rgds Steve

There is a difference due to one side of the rocker is longer, could be 1.1 times at the valve, you would need to check. The soft camshafts are mainly MK3's but also some late MK2's

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Previously steve_adkins wrote:

Thanks Ian,

I believe standard 750 / 850 cam lift is ~ 0.325", so is this a direct reflection of expected rocker movement / depression? Can someone please confirm?

Thanks again all.

Rgds Steve

There is a difference due to one side of the rocker is longer, could be 1.1 times at the valve, you would need to check. The soft camshafts are mainly MK3's but also some late MK2's

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Worth checking your primary & secondary chains and sprockets for wear and/or tight spots.

This can contribute to substantial vibration.

Regards,

Chas

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Gentlemen,

In response to Martin's post, crank end float looks excessive @ ~ 0.025-0.030" While I understand the oil pump worm will technically always bias or pull the crank to the right, from the riders perspective, this is a lot.....Any idea what crank endfloat should be 0.008-0.010?"

Looks like shes a comin' out, unless someone has any other ideas?

Rgds Steve

 


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