My '56 Model 50 currently has a failed electronic ignition system and I wish to replace it with a new 6v system.
I and the bike live in Portugal, but items can be shipped from UK or wherever. My current system was working ok, but it is now well past its' 'bin-buy' date.
I would really appreciate recommendations from the members as to the best 6v ignition kit to buy.
So many thanks.
Bill Bullimore
bill@ofcourseltd.com
I would agree....
... with Al. There's no good reason to stick with 6v especially as 12 volt systems are much better regulated without those awkward switch connections. My experience with the Boyer on the Electra shows that they hate low voltages.
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Some further facts...
...on the traditional 6V charge regulator system with the PRRS8 and switching of alternator output coils, the charge regulation is very poor such that you can get a momentary high 'battery/system' voltage which can kill the 6V electronic ignition. You have to remember that ALL electronics can die quicker than you can blink.
The Electra is 12V to start with and the Boyer Brandesen ignition being upset about low voltage is purely a factor of BB not being built as good as it can be. Bear in mind we have had BB ignitions for many years, they are getting better and other manufacturers have made better electronic ignitions.
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Electronics on vehicles with…
Electronics on vehicles with field excited alternators are designed to cope with transients of a couple of hundred Volts, which adds just pennies to the component bill. I doubt that the existing 6V classic bike ignitions have this feature and considering that most owners would go for a 12V conversion, market size probably doesn't warrant producing new designs.
Another problem with 6V electronic ignitions is that the microcontrollers within them traditionally operate at 5V, so adding the dropout voltage of the voltage regulator in the unit, it doesn't take much of a supply voltage dip before it misbehaves. A design featuring a modern microcontroller which can operate at 3.3V with a low dropout regulator would provide more headroom against supply voltage dips, but I doubt that anyone will be in a hurry to produce one.
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Model 50 electronic 6v ignition
Why not use a 6v to 12v boost regulator, cheap as chips on amazon etc Just to run the ignition!
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"Why not use a 6v to 12v…
"Why not use a 6v to 12v boost regulator,"
So you have two DC voltages on one bike?
I've been messing about with these heaps long enough to know that's going to be a lot more bother than it's worth.
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A cheap boost converter will…
A cheap boost converter will not regulate well with a pulsed load like an ignition system. You would need something specialised and expensive for that application.
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Why Not!
I didn't say you had to buy a cheap one, or Chinese! You can make your own It would just feed the ignition so no need to modify the bikes wiring at all
Regarding the pulsed load I agree I found my Boyer igntion generated spikes on the 12v feed even with a good battery, cured with some capacitance across it
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This is a personal point of view, 6V electronic ignitions are susceptible to failure so I recommend 12V for the ignition and all of the bike/battery etc. Boyer Bransden do a 6V and I think Pazon do one, but Pazon is built in New Zealand so the cost??
The significant point you need to consider is how the pickup is fitted to the bike? Did the 56 Mod 50 have an 18D1 or another system with points when it came from the factory? You also need to understand the 6V battery charging sytem. If it is the original switched alternator system then this is inadequate for 6v electronic ignition. (which might have contributed to one you have failure).
12V is recommended.