How many Manxman owners need the right silencers?

Hi Anna, the silencer you show ,a heavily seamed item similar (but not the same) as the SS appears very different to all the publicity shots of Manxman destined for the US market,these show a tubular unit similar in appearance to the cheroot fitted to the 60 Dommys,but with very crude joints and not shapely at all.So whats the story? .was the yanks bike fitted with different units than any sold in the UK? IF so then the ones you are making will have a very tiny market.The yanks won't want them.

well No Norton manxman were sold in the uk until late September of 1961 by then they where blue 650ss with lots more paint then chrome and These Silencer are No where like any other Silencer that Norton made

Previously anthony_curzon wrote:

How about getting the Manxman exhaust pipes made also in stainless steel, as i suspect allot of owners would like to fit the original style exhaust pipes to their Manxman.

Well Anthony dear if you read my thread right fist then you see this is what our club is proposing to do have them made in stainless steel to cut the cost of having them chromed chroming one silencer cost £130 each so that will be add to the cost of them being made

But what is an original?, Is it the ugly offset inlet type with the horrid seams that Anna has, or the straight tube with the poorly shaped cone?. Imagine you are a yank and have bought a basket case of rubbish. For that 100 point restoration would you buy a copy of Anna's or get something made in stainless looking like the brochure but better made?its a no brainier.

well You have know idea what your saying , for a start you only seen a photo , and that seam is a very clever weld and the cone end part is a better shape then the dominator ones and the metal is a lot thinker too and there made like this for a purpose as they have two baffles inside one inside the other and you posting is just taking space up like me having to answer them

After studying the literature ,it would appear that the downpipes also are very different to any fitted to later 650's.They fall steeply away in the port and curve round the front ,unlike the later SS pipes which are crude bends and straights.There is also a pronounced kick up below the gearbox.They appear to be copied or modified from the 59 onwards 88/99 range.

It would Appear you have no idea what your talking about, !!! there is only the right hand side that had to have a inward bend in it to stop the rev count cable hitting the exhaust pipe, later the drive gearbox was altered to run straight up instead of angel of 60 degree as the Manxman is But this only adds to the Manxman's carricter But them that as not owned a Norton Manxman will not know , So keep this for the real owners please

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

But what is an original?, Is it the ugly offset inlet type with the horrid seams that Anna has, or the straight tube with the poorly shaped cone?. Imagine you are a yank and have bought a basket case of rubbish. For that 100 point restoration would you buy a copy of Anna's or get something made in stainless looking like the brochure but better made?its a no brainier.

well You have know idea what your saying , for that something was made by craftsmen in Norton works bracebridge street and there not as Ugly as you say, and far less so than the peashooter silencer .and having seen all types of silencer made for Norton motorcycles these are the neatest and best looking and best sounding Silencer ever, for a start you only seen a photo , and that seam is a very clever weld and the cone end part is a better shape then the dominator ones and the metal is a lot thicker too and there made like this for a purpose as they have two baffles inside one inside the other and you posting is just taking space up like me having to answer them And I thought I get idiotic posting like these from member that have no ideas of what there saying , if you Not owned a Norton Manxman Then you have No idea what there really like, I owned Norton Singles Light twins early dominator's there all good in there own right, but the Manxman is in a class of it own and a true Hogslayer 0 to 60 in 6 seconds a Harley Davidson 883 0to 60 12.9 seconds Norton Manxman top speed at MIRA 118.288 thought the speed trap that's a standard bike untuned there fast with or without high bars it dose not make much difference. to the machine, and there fantastic to ride

A real top bike

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

Anna ! You have missed the point, I also think the Manxman is a milestone and a great bike,and I'm also trying to help you flog some silencers. It Won't do to make units that are perhaps historically correct but are different to the manufacturers literature, The Americans will try to follow the literature,--even if its not correct. It also happens that the literature looks a whole lot better than most of the restorations up to now. As is the case of most of the slimline 88/99 restorations I've seen.

well here you are Manufactures literature you see there the same as I have these where sent too me Form a Sweden a very Nice Friend of mine who gave them too me , one needed re-chroming but very original and I just Happen to Have the Norton Manxman Only Parts Manual with the part Numbers For these Silencer , So try tell me something new , who do you think that's done 6 years of Research on these machines and who do you think put all this information on the other wed pages yes your truly , anna j

Previously tim_gostling wrote:

Anna, Should no one else express their opinion then? You could use a lot less space if you didn't continuously include previous post in every one of your answers.

Well this tread was not intended for opinions but was intended for owners of this mark to express there interest in buying a set of new silencer for there machine as these silencer Graceful in there design by the Norton Manufactures at Bracebridge Street works Craftsmen these silencer would not of been easy to make, and they where expensive as well , this is why in late 1961 AMC board changed nearly everything on these machine too make them even more cheaper so the AMC board Share holders got rich , they had no interest in the produces they where making it was a case of sell sell , and fast, the Manxman dose not ride in the same way as the 650SS there worlds apart , on the manxman with its small tank you ride more forward than on a 650ss and the rear wheel dimensional are different the 650SS is on a 350x19 tyre , the Manxman on a 4.00x18 tyre the ride is better and more comfort given to the rider the full tank range is some where in the reagen of 120miles the 650ss somewhere in 170 miles some 50 mile farther but with less comfort low bars gives stress on your arms on long distant rides

Well, that told you boys!

Quote of the month - 'and you posting is just taking space up like me having to answer them'....priceless!

I always find your posts entertaining Anna; keep 'em coming!

Ian

well Ian did you like the Bit about the Hogslayer well it was one of these engines that started TC and John Gregory of Sunset Motors on the road to the fast Norton ever built the Hogslayer , did TC tell you all about the day he seen off a Vincent Black shadow, with his Manxman engine Drag bike the Vincent missed a gear and TC was long Gone he won the drag race cup that day,

The simple answer, to the original title of this thread, can be summed up in two words :- "Not many!".

Yes Not many that's why there extremely rare Motorcycle and One that need too be persevered , as its a big part of the Norton story Because without it like it or Not you would Not have the other models Like the 650SS or the 88/99SS or the Atlas and then Commando , Thats why this machine is so important in the History of the Norton Story its was the Big Stepping Stone on to new models with a tried and tested motor . for durability and reliability

Its More than a fast fancy blue bike as some may look at it and believe that just what its is, there ones that have no knowledge of these machines and Norton history . And Just Because it was a Export Only Motorcycle , Dose Not Mean that the Membership of this club as the right too dismiss its very existence, and write it out of the Norton History As I for one will Not Let you all do this, It was Built In Bracebridge and is a Bracebridge Motorcycle and as its own right to take it place in the History of Norton Motorcycles And now fixed in time its self , and you or I cannot do anything about it now,

Yours Anna J Dixon

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someone need to wake this guy up if he is a true Norton enthusiast and if he's now bored of Norton Motorcycles then he can all ways buy a Harley Davidson . or a nice Triumph or something Japanese too his liking . But please do not put ZZZZZZ on my posting Yours Anna J

Previously paul_webb wrote:

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someone need to wake this guy up if he is a true Norton enthusiast and if he's now bored of Norton Motorcycles then he can all ways buy a Harley Davidson . or a nice Triumph or something Japanese too his liking . But please do not put ZZZZZZ on my posting Yours Anna J

Well This posting was not meant for Members who do not own a Norton Manxman , So then they no reason to read this thread and put silly remarks on it like this if you do not like what written there do not read them its as simple as that !

I think people are a bit put off by all the superlatives attributed to the Manxman. It's just a 650 with slightly odd styling for the American market. It has its place in Norton history and it has it afficiondos. However, the domestic market 650s would have happened just the same. Frankly I much prefer the looks of the common or garden 650SS but that's just a personal choice. But trying to tell me that the Manxman is a better bike than the 650SS amongst other bikes just doesn't wash. So let's accept that it is just another model of Norton, no better, no worse and we can all have a balanced view. It's entitled to its strange silencers if that's what people want to put on it. There doesn't seem to me much call for them though.

Well This is your opinion if you have not ridden these machines you will not know, I ridden both a 650SS and A manxman , And the Manxman wins my vote hands down its just a nice bike to ride and own , The 650ss its a completely different motorcycle with a different characteristics to the Early Manxman witch is a smoother ride and has a cool look and is more comfortable too ride , but this Thread is about Silencer and nothing else thank you, And I never thought that this thread would get so much Anti- feeling It was a request to try and find out how many owners of there machines The Norton Manxman model there are , and Not end up a slanging match like this but is seam too me I wasted my time , I put this in the Roadholder instead as real owners are not going to answer with you critics around, So try sticking too the origins of this Thread Yours Anna J

The distinctive look of the system stems more from the very curved line of the pipes which harks back to the first dommys and the 88/99 , (Yes Anna i know about the special kink to miss the R/C,I'm not talking about that). If you study the Literature you can see the pipes downward bend that starts inside the exhaust nut ,this negates the need for the ugly bends and straights seen on later pipes and most pattern systems.The kick up at the gearbox is often lost on pattern products and is the prime reason for the common droopy look on restored bikes.

.well that bend in the right hand pipe its there for a reason so the rev count cable did not hit the pipe , Norton at lest Norton took there time over making this exhaust system and it could not of been easy too do , so this is why late on the rev count drive angle was altered to a up right position , so then they did way with the bend and the silencer too this was done to make the product more cheaper too make , as the Manxman was a Expensive motorcycle, at the time with more Chrome parts on it than any other Norton before or since , It was built with top Quality parts at the Norton workforce could make at Bracebridge Street . I think thay made a very good job and built a machine fit for a king to ride and we in the Norton owners club should be very proud of that, and see a restoration of these machine should be done in the same light as the Men that built them and do not forget the hard work and craftsmanship these men had . and this motorcycle reflects just this the pinnace of the Craftsmanship And over seen By the very man who Designed it all Burt Hopwood And Co-Designer Doug Hele , To me there one of the last Great Motorcycles Built At Bracebridge Street and this says alot in my mind !!