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The 99 has not been apart for  decades,   Its running pretty well, (better than I am)  ,It has for some time exhibited signs of running weak off tickover, Checked the plugs and noticed a small shiny flake of something on the RH plug,  Also the pipe has taken on a colidescope of colours. There is a slow leak of oil at the head joint. Seems like its time for a decoke and looksee, If I can borrow a boroscope I will look around first.  There are two questions in my mind. If I do find the mice have been nibbling my  rare  pistons , can the alloy pit be filled with a little weld?, and who sells a decent composite head gasket ?. Some are reputedly better than others?.

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From the tool guide;

Borescope: noun. A special tool that allows you to look inside an engine and see in magnified detail that it is knackered, just like you first thought. Also see "Compression Tester"...

I put that in as in my experience, what you see on the screen can look very dramatic, whereas in reality it isn't too bad.

If the mice have been at the pistons, and started nibbling, then only you will know whether you wish to refit them or not. Unlike pre-ignition erosion, the usual place for detonation erosion is the top lands, (between crown and top ring) which means barrels off to check.

Regarding welding, it can be done,(have done this with prototype car engine pistons back in the '80s) but on a used piston, you will need a very good welder who will need it scrupulously clean before starting, and if it is the top lands, then not only will you need the lands machining, you will need the ring grooves remachining too. How much is a new piston again?

As for your head gasket, ask two Norton enthusiasts what is best and you will get at least 3 different answers and that is before you get onto what sealant to use! My view? Use the supplier that you trust the most, or at least had the best experience with. 

Here's hoping that it isn't too bad when you lift the lid off.

Regards,

George.

 

 

 

 

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The barrel rear drain hole is too small for the job it is asked to do. Until the oil gets hot it will not drain down this hole. Plus while it is trying to defy gravity, the engine crankcase pressure is pushing it back upwards.  Consequently, oil pools in the inlet rocker box and then gets sucked down the valve guides to cause smokey engines. The solution would be to enlarge this hole but in the head is there is not enough metal around to enlarge it. safely. 

If you enlarge it in the barrel you end up reducing the amount of gasket fighting to keep the oil inside the engine.  Especially by the rear right head bolt.

I have added the pic of the Atlas Barrel to show the weakpoint of the 650 and 750 engines. The rear oil drain hole is the only point in the whole set-up where oil under pressure has an open gasket face trying to hold black goo at bay. All the other openings have a ring of metal to help seal the works. ie the pushrod tunnels and combustion pots. Though on cheap head gaskets the pushrod tunnels often have a joke for a sealing ring in this area.

In the rubbishy Composite gasket the oil tracks along the inside of the gasket to the head bolts (just 10mm away) and then leaks upwards and over the fins. Some sealant can help but is difficult to apply around the rear drain hole without blocking it.

The solid copper gaskets are a better solution but the wrong grade of Copper and/or  poor annealing often leads to the metal burning and thinning just where you need it most.

As has been pointed out above, getting a piston totally clean of oil for a welding job is not going to be easy.  Many years ago I met a chap who had sorted out a hole in his big single by drilling and inserting a nut & bolt to seal the piston.  On another engine he had fabricated a piston out of wood as a temporary fix.

 

 

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Hi George, It won't be pre-ignition from timing but possibly from an overheated plug(weak mixture), hopefully not ring lands as compression seems perfect. The pistons were difficult to find 25 years ago (genuine british NOS solid skirt Hepolite 650 +10 ) which I found as bare pistons, so I don't hold much hope in getting a new one. Keeping fingers crossed not needed.  Not been impressed with quality of spares in the past few years. Soft clutch center,dud alternator,out of tolerance race plate, non grip go faster brake linings,that sort of thing.

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Hi Phil, My 99 oil seepage seems to come from the front ,possibly pushrod tunnels or studs.Pleased to say that (up to now!) the recently rebuilt Atlas  seems to be leak free,but that has a  solid fibre ? head gasket that I have not seen before. Also I used the tightening sequence that does not start with the center bolt for a change. Seems to work. I am considering using some inlet valve seals on the 99 ,but dont know of any that can use the std guides?. If I can't see any piston damage down the plughole I'm going to re-torqe the head down and look for air leaks around carb/manifolds and clear the carb passages/jets .to get to the bottom of this weakness. I have considered tilting the motor a bit (ala Comdom) to get the oil to drain forwards.  Set a new fashion for fetherbeds?.

 


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