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Hello all. The rebuild of my 75 registered mk2A roadster (a showroom leftover) is allmost at the point of refitting the primary drive and i notice the gearbox final drive sprocket has 20 teeth which i beleave should be 21. I have never rode the bike as it has not run in nearly 30 years i got it some time ago off a friend who used it breifly then took bits off it to make it more like what he wantted but never finished it and i am rebuilding it as a roadster to look good but more importantly to ride.The rest of the bikes gearing tyres and wheel sizes are standard but i think with the smaller sprocket it may be undergeared and rev to much at motorway speeds.I do not ride on motorways often or for long distances (they are boring) but want to be able to hold a good cruising speed without thrashing it but of cause i would still like it to pull strongly an accellerate without have to dance on the gearlever (i had an RD350 once but now am a grown up honnest officer). So as i do not wish to have to take off all the primary just to change the sprocket i would like to ask what size of sprocket you good kind and knowledgeable members use and recomend and what length of drive chain goes with it??? thnkyou for reading Karl

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Sprocket size is very much up to the rider. Sprockets between 19 tooth and 24 tooth are listed in the parts list. Back in the day we would fit big sprockets, like 23 teeth, to improve fuel economy. 21 should work well. 99 links is correct chain length for a 21 tooth sprocket.

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There was a nice article by John Cracknell in last months Roadholder. He swears that his machine has been transformed by using a 23 tooth final drive sprocket. Depends if you prefer comfortable cruising or, as in your case, faster acceleration with higher revs.

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Ran a Mk 3 850 in Kenya for twenty years which had been a police bike used mainly for escort dutyfor the first President , Kenyatta , and during rebuild after buying it from the police found a 20 tooth g/box sprocket fitted. Rode it for a while with this 20 tooth sprocket but found engine revving high on long journeys so changed to a 22 tooth which made a big difference. Recall engine revs dropping 500 rpm at cruise speed of 70 - 80 mph. Drop off in acceleration was hardly noticeable.

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Over the years I changed my 750 from a 20 to 21, then I put a 23 toothed sprocket on years ago, and it was the best thing I did. It transformed the bike, with better performance, more comfortablecruisingspeed and revs, and better fuel consumption.

I recently sold an 850 MkIII to a friend who wanted it up-geared, and I put a 24 toothedsprocketon for him. I thought this would be over geared but the bike is excellent for the long journeys he does on it. I rode it locally and the bike pulled the gear easily.

I need to ride his bike a bike more to see what the 24 is like, but I would definitely recommend a 23

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Hiya, just to add twopennorth to this debate, don't forget that if you go for taller gearing ie. a 22 or 23 tooth gearbox sprocket you will bring the engine revs down for a given speed as several writers have pointed out, but the downside to this is, that this may put the engine into its heavy vibrating period at a crucial speed like 30mph in 3rd gear and 50mph in top which may make the bike a pig to ride at "favourite" speeds.

Cheers Alan

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Increase the size of your gearbox sprocket at your peril........

John Hudson explained to me over tea and fruit cake a long time ago that the Commando primary drive ratios are wrong - the clutch is too large compared to the engine sprocket (take a look at the Dommie ratio). This was partially dictated by specifying an off-the-shelf ex fork lift truck diaphragm clutch at the design stage to replace the overstressed AMC clutch.

Fitting a larger than a 19T gearbox sprocket to compensate for the poor factory choice of primary ratio loads up the already highly stressed gearbox and you will suffer from very expensive additional wear of the pinions - the larger the gearbox sprocket and the worse it gets.

A major advantage of fitting a belt primary is to change the primary drive ratios (to say 2:1) allowing you to run a 19 or 20 tooth gearbox sprocket at the relaxed engine speeds you seek. This speeds up the gearbox and reduces the loadings on the pinion teeth - every little bit helps in keeping the box intact. The AMC gearbox is a lovely box for a 500 cc engine but not really up to the job of coping with Commando torque loads.

Another method would be to increase the size of your engine sprocket but that will require a longer triplex chain - and is there sufficient room for it all?

The Commando is a great but deeply flawed motorcycle.

Jim

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With an 850 and all that extra mid range torque that can pull a higher gear I'd up the gearbox sprocket to 22 at least. Assuming the box has the layshaft ball bearing replaced with a higher spec or with a roller then it will survive fine unless its subject to abuseevery time you take off. I have a 750 with a 35/72 belt primary and 21T sprocket. That's 4.11:1 or close to a 22.5T. With a 110-90 x 18 rear it runs about 18.1/1000. It definitely can't be called 'long legged' with that gearing but 4000 rpm at just over 70 is fine. At 4500 and just over 80 you know its working. It also has a PW3 cam and an overworked head but its acceptable at lower speeds even without the extra 850 'oomph'. What it won't do is climb a 1in 6 hill in top at 40 mph or pull strongly from 30 mph in the same gear.I do use M-Ways and Duals quite a bit so it pays off for me.

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Just to let you all know I did get a 22 tooth sprocket and tho i am aware that lowering the RPMs of the gear cogs increases the loading the teeth are subjected to as i have rebuilt the gearbox with new bearing etc. i feel it should cope after all that little voice in my brain will keep reminding me of these fact as my right hand tightens the throttle cable. There is still a long way to go before this happens tho ( see other threads on swinging alinement and rgm clutch nuts) but if it was easy and simple then wheres the feeling of atchivment at the end of itplease noteam trying to sound positive here ;) surely if we wantted the easy life we would have a Honda

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I doubt you will have any issues and certainly if you spin the engine up thru' the gears the box should/mayhave an easier life? Using the engine like a 'Twist and go' from low speed in high gears might be worse on the box.

 


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