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Submitted by niall_topping on Wed, 27/08/2014
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Years ago, I remember the club publishing and sending out a collection of technical articles, as the NOC handbook, this was a handy little tome, and I still refer to it, but I wish we could have a newer version, particularly with Mike Pembertons collected articles in it, failing this could the back catalogue of articles from Roadholder be made available through this website for members? I know we should all keep all our Roadholders properly indexed in a fire proof vault, but I have mine all jumbled up and I can never find the one I want.

I recognise that this would mean a lot of work for somebody, but there is a wealth of technical gen there, not easily accessible.

Submitted by grant_tiller on Thu, 25/09/2014

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Great idea!

I frequently refer to the INOA technical digest (even though I don't have a commando)

It would be brilliant to have a tech book to cover tweaks and mods for other models.

Submitted by tim_harrison on Fri, 03/10/2014

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It would be more manageable to reproduce articles that are already in existence, for example as Niall suggests, Mike Pemberton's. We are in the process of editing and putting the long awaaited Dominator Service notes online. This will ensure that a considerable amount of information previously unpublished will be available to members

Tim

Previously Niall Topping wrote:

Years ago, I remember the club publishing and sending out a collection of technical articles, as the NOC handbook, this was a handy little tome, and I still refer to it, but I wish we could have a newer version, particularly with Mike Pembertons collected articles in it, failing this could the back catalogue of articles from Roadholder be made available through this website for members? I know we should all keep all our Roadholders properly indexed in a fire proof vault, but I have mine all jumbled up and I can never find the one I want.

I recognise that this would mean a lot of work for somebody, but there is a wealth of technical gen there, not easily accessible.

Submitted by nick_coates on Mon, 27/10/2014

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Dear All

It is interesting you raise this question.

Some years ago 4 may be, I decided to compile a spread sheet with ALL the technical article in road holder for around the previous 15 or more years as I was fed up with people 're-inventing the wheel' every year or so and also for my own use in finding information....ie, I have seen that before, where is it??

I spent a year to eighteen months on this difficult task, including holidays in the sun.

I sent this spread sheet to the then mag editor who said he was very impressed with the work and wanted to publish, I said no,I was a few road holder mags missing and I wanted to finish the work, so I went to a classic bike show where committee members attended and asked NL for copies of the missing mags to have or borrow to finish the work (about 6-8).

He said 'you have waisted your time, the club has this already compiled', I asked if I could have a copy....."NO" can I have the missing road holder mags?...."NO"

I still have the spread sheet for my own use, missing some road holder editions.

So this is why, you have not / never will never see tech info, it is top secret.

Nick

Submitted by peter_mcdermott on Tue, 28/10/2014

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Previously nick_coates wrote:

Dear All

It is interesting you raise this question.

Some years ago 4 may be, I decided to compile a spread sheet with ALL the technical article in road holder for around the previous 15 or more years as I was fed up with people 're-inventing the wheel' every year or so and also for my own use in finding information....ie, I have seen that before, where is it??

I spent a year to eighteen months on this difficult task, including holidays in the sun.

I sent this spread sheet to the then mag editor who said he was very impressed with the work and wanted to publish, I said no,I was a few road holder mags missing and I wanted to finish the work, so I went to a classic bike show where committee members attended and asked NL for copies of the missing mags to have or borrow to finish the work (about 6-8).

He said 'you have waisted your time, the club has this already compiled', I asked if I could have a copy....."NO" can I have the missing road holder mags?...."NO"

I still have the spread sheet for my own use, missing some road holder editions.

So this is why, you have not / never will never see tech info, it is top secret.

Nick

Nick, that sounds incredible if as you describe - what an opportunity missed. If you could list the RHs that you are missing to complete your spreadsheet I am sure members would help out. I have most issues from Nov/Dec 1977 onwards and I would be only too happy to send you photocopies of any needed amongst these.

Submitted by phil_hannam on Tue, 28/10/2014

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Tech Talk Index taken from the Roadholder

ARTICLEISSUEPAGE20 years of Riding Nortons Tech Tips I.A20341Alternator Conv 6v to 12v12513, 15Alternator Testing14631AMC Gearbox camplate/quadrant etc J.H16831AMC Gearbox John Hudson17830Anti Drain Valve 1957 19s ?19340Anti Drain Valves18230Atlas Carb15826Atlas flywheels/barrels J.H17626Atlas Ign Timing J.H17428Atlas Knock,Rattles,Clicks and Ticks?20742Atlas Misfire20841Atlas Steering J.H18029Atlas/Commando Special21836Battery 16h (1949) Spec21245Bearing Cages20337Bearing Loads Spec20936Bearings Superblend Cages t/spec19418Belt Drive22620Belt Drive13320, 21, 22, 23Belt Drive 21377, 8, 9, 10Belt Drive Dominator20238Belt Drive Dominator part 220736Belt Drive Dommies20941Belt Drive Test Long Term. P.H23336Belt Drives20840Belt Drives A.D18444Belt Drives Tony Hayward13113, 14, 15Belt Drives Tony Hayward1304, 5, 6Big 4 conv Unleaded Fuel19742Big Four Side Car22327Big Twin strip Notes2279Blast Cleaning types12113Boyer Ignitions M.D of Boyers19040Boyer Problems Al Osborn19115Brake Conversions14324Brake Linings20536Brake Mods13712Brake Shoe Warning21740Brakes Single Leading Shoe Brake v Twin L10715Brakes Twin Leading Shoe Exp View18231Cables and Carbs John Hudson17831Cam Chain Tension J.H17935Cam Followers Comm/ Heavy Twins J.H18030Cams Tech Spec Peter Williams20834Camshaft Lubrication1024Camshaft Wear / Commando22042Camshafts 2S 3S 4S etc15631Camshafts and Layshafts21540Carb / Commando/ MIKUNI22038Carb /Spray Tubes15927Carb Corrections/ Ign875Carb Details and Spec14228Carb Monobloc Restoration7112Carbs /Timing 650ss20740Carbs Commando Flooding21841Carbs for 650ss23136Carbs Mikuni - Single Carb19742Carbs Mikunis to Commando C.G19540Carbs Mikunnis19740Carbs SU19943Carburation Gus Kuhn Commando20237Castrol R 920 Conversion tips10516Chrome Plating Process14926Chrome Plating/ Fork data J.H16125Cleaning Crankcases22340Clutch AMC22342Clutch Info22740Clutch Lever Mods21237Clutch on a 19s22036Clutch Problems 19s22140Clutch Problems 19s22242Clutch Rubbers20943Colour Spec Poly, Mercury Blue,Forest grn, Off White897Commado Breathing Probs21238Commando G/Box Sprockets Spec7414Commando 850 Roadtest13622Commando Amal and K&N Filters14730Commando Anti Drain Valve J.H17128Commando Balance Factors J.H17128Commando Brake improvement20041Commando Brakes21743Commando Brakes Improvement21240Commando Camshaft failure23038Commando Camshaft service release8412Commando Camshafts Data /Spec Andy Dunn17228,29Commando Clutch J.H16323Commando Clutch ProbLems21042Commando Clutch Slip9114Commando Clutch Slip A.D19140Commando Clutches J.N24837,38Commando Crankcase Gasket21942Commando Cylinder Head17933Commando Cylinder Head Leaks/ Assm P.W J.D23738,39Commando Damping Mods21338Commando E Start15128Commando Early Frame Faults J.H16326Commando Electric Start A.D16323Commando Electrics20541Commando Eng Notes and HEAD NOS ref J.H16626Commando Engine Notes J.H17530Commando F Frames22844Commando Forks (oil/damping)21334Commando front Disc Pads J.H18029Commando Gear Box Oil22640Commando Gearing H.T16925Commando Gearing J.H16829Commando Handle Bar Switch Swap18135Commando Handling Problems21837Commando Handling Problems21940Commando Head Work15526Commando Hints and Tips7429Commando Icing Carbs22441Commando Isolastics J.H16624Commando Layshaft Bearing17629Commando Mains Bearings J.H16830Commando Mk 3 Electric Probs Al Oz17631Commando Mk 3 Noises21444Commando Modification List7924Commando Notes Hugh Cleary16927Commando Oil leaks J.H16224Commando Oil Pressure21337Commando Oil Pressure Loss20544Commando Pillion Rear Sets Diagram Spec J.N19141Commando Plug/Gasket Problems21638Commando Preventing Camshaft Failure JML23038Commando Rear Frame Cracks15226Commando Rear Spindle Wear15528Commando Re-Bore Spec21333Commando Rocker Spindles( loose )21542Commando Serv Notes 10,Eng Mountings etc T.S6611,13Commando Serv Notes 11, Frame Sw/arm, Susp T.S6715,16,17Commando Serv Notes 14,15,16 Forks/Fwheel T.S6916, 17Commando Serv Notes 2 Cyl Head Barrel Valves T.S607, 8Commando Serv Notes 3 Timing Cover T.S6131,32,33Commando Serv Notes 4 Cranckcase/Breathers T.S6211,12,13Commando Serv Notes 5,6,7 Gearbox T.S639,10Commando Serv Notes 8 cont, 9 Carb/Clutch T.S657,8,9,11,12Commando Serv Notes 8,Pr/Chaincase T.S6417,18Commando Serv Notes. 12,13 Footrests,Oil Tank T.S6815, 16Commando Serv Notes1 Bottom End593,4,7Commando Service Notes Electrics7310Commando Service Notes Forks/Front Wheel6916Commando Service Notes Frame/Sarm/Shocks6715,16,17Commando Service Notes H/Controls etc7216Commando Service Notes Oil Tank, Filters6815Commando Service Release Cam Chain Tension386Commando Service Release Ex Oil Consumption385Commando Service Release G/Box Tp Fix Bolt383Commando Service Release Iso Mountings384Commando Service Release Stiff Clutch Action385Commando Smoking21842Commando Smoking ? Reasons (J.Hudson)18133Commando Speedo Drives A.D17029Commando Starting Probs21642Commando Superblends Story19323Commando Superchared J.D D.K C.G23039Commando Sw/Arm Spindle Fitting J.N24735,36Commando Swing Arm Pin14222Commando Tacho Drive Seals17331Commando Tacho Oil Leak20840Commando Tank Mountings17531Commando Tappet Clearances tech data T.S539,10Commando Tips 920cc10610Commando Valve Guides18327Commando Wheel Alignment M.B23839,40Commando Wheel Alignment N.G23925Commando Wheel Rims sizes J.H17629Concentric Carb Care Reprint Norton Info916Concentric Carb For Atlas23136Cranckcase Breathers J.H18445Cylinder Heads Mercury J.H17028Dampers Rear Spec15630Diaphragm Clutch tips1054Dolls Head G/box22340Dominator / Single F.Bed Swap15926Dominator 1950s Mudguards12018, 19Dominator 650 SS Problems J.H16926Dominator 650 SS Starting J.H17031Dominator 88 spec John Hudson19241Dominator 99 Notes15827Dominator Air Filters J.H16523Dominator Alloy C Case11111Dominator Anti Drain Valves20938Dominator Camshaft Spec18327Dominator Carburation/Lubrication J.H16727Dominator Centre Stand Device23137Dominator Clutch adj P.H24039Dominator Cylinder Head Gasket9126Dominator Exhaust Threads20939Dominator Head/ Barrel NotesJ.H16924Dominator Mag Drive15724Dominator Magneto Fixing Mods21037Dominator Mains Bearings20937Dominator Manifold Dimensions21742Dominator Manifolds21840Dominator Noises J.H16925Dominator Pistons/Camshafts Spec1372Dominator Primary Drive/Clutch J.H16832Dominator Rocker Feed P.H22040Dominator Rockers20938Dominator Running In20937Dominator Seat Fixings Tip T.B23713Dominator Timing 1959 on J.H16024Dominator Troubleshooting (mag related) J.H18440Dominator Tuning Eng Preparation Brian Talton393,4Dominator Tuning carb Transmission / Elec P.S4018,19,20Dominator Valve Springs16626Drum Brake Performance17430Dunstall Cylinders21543Dynamo Tech/Spec19341Electra Head Gaskets lack of A.S23840Electra Indicator Switch A.S16226Electra Notes Inc Head Gusset Plate dia A.S17030Electras A.Sochanik Spec17328Electrical Alternator Output etc. Al Oz23540Electrical Fault Finding Al Oz23834,35Electrics 16h Wiring22037Electrics 6v to 12v20539Electrics 6volt to 12volt Conversion14027, 28Electrics Alternative Dip/ Main Beam Switch C.G19838Electrics Alternators Al Oz784Electrics Boyers/Black Boxes20040Electrics Commando Assimilator21615Electrics Conv 6v Alt to 12v20038Electrics Headlights an Overview A.D23236, 37, 38Electrics Interpol Re-Wiring C.G19542Electrics Missing Amps AlOz19340Electrics Power Box ( Al Oz)18933Electrics Rotary Elc Ign C.G19541Electrifying Electras / lightweights Al Oz23940,41Electronic Ign874Electronic Ign Atlas Al.Oz16829Electronic Ign with Electric Start M.L17327Engine (Cranked Up) spec/data N.H24730Engine Faults Developed On The Run 1935 G.C23436, 37Engine Knock 19R20942Engine Measurement G.C23244,45Engine Re-Build? After Long Lay Up21237Engine/Twin Identification P.H22043ES2 / 50 Assembly Barrel/Piston22936ES2 / 50 Assembly Cyl/hHad Rocker Box23036ES2 1935 Cyl Head Re Cutting Valve Seats G.C23241ES2 Coil to Mag Conv5410,11ES2 Devlopment Part & Back on the Road24237,38ES2 Devlopment Part 2 M.P23636,37,38,39ES2 Devlopment Part 3 M.P23736,37,38,39ES2 Devlopment Part 4 M.P23836,37,38,39ES2 Devlopment Part 5 M.P24037,38ES2 Devlopment Part 6 Eng Ass M.P24137,38ES2 Engine Devlopment M.P23530,31ES2 Engine Plates22036ES2 Half time pinions marks21940ES2 Head Devlopment M.P23438,39ES2 Mods Go Faster?21040ES2 Poor Mans Manx Part 2 M.P20944ES2 Poor Mans Manx re-build ,timing etc M.P20844ES2 Poor Mans Manx (frame etc) M.P21244ES2 Poor Mans Manx (timing) M.P21444ES2 Poor Mans Manx Bottom End/Flywheels M.P23337,38ES2 Poor Mans Manx goes short M.P26635,36ES2 Poor Mans Manx part 10 M.P21844ES2 Poor Mans Manx part 11 (bottom end ass) M.P21944ES2 Poor Mans Manx part 12 timing M.P22044ES2 Poor Mans Manx part 3 M.P21044ES2 Poor Mans Manx part 5 M.P21344ES2 Poor Mans Manx part 9 (crank/rod) M.P21744ES2 Poor Mans Manx part seven M.P21544ES2 Poor Mans Manx update M.P24437,38ES2 Poor Mans Manx( paint/frame) M.P21644ES2 Single Engine Devlopment M.P24733,34,35ES2 Single Engine Devlopment M.P24835,36,37ES2 Starting/Running22142ES2 Valve Timing M.P24537,38ES2( Push Rod Manx Norton) M.P24935,36,37,38ES2/50 Cylinder Head Lead Free Conv20741ES2/50 OHV Crankcase Work2279ES2/Mods go faster22621ES2s Unleaded20036Exhaust Pipe Inter F.Bed size/data B.S24928Exhaust Pipes O.D and Spec and Heads9410Exhaust Thread Repair11316, 17Exhaust Threads22540Exhaust Threads Model 1919243Exhaust Two Into One Formula21843Exhaust Two Into One Length/Spec21440F.Bed Frame Tubing Spec etc924, 5, 6F.Bed Swingarm Bush Replacement955Featherbed Frame "The History"12812, 13, 14Featherbed Frames Spec18840Fibreglass Tanks and the Law11613Fitting Commando C.Case to Dommie1144Flat Tank Starting/Driving22938Forks and Lengths21043Forks Roadholders13616, 17Frame Tech886Frame/Forks 650ss22143Front Brakes J.H17028Front Chaincase Dommie10718Gear Box AMC Keeping Oil In.15130Gear Box Data J.H16524Gear Box Dolls Head Leaks20936GEAR BOX Identifying Gear Pinions All Models B.S21242Gear Box Laydown / Mainshaft Data etc B.P18742,43Gear Box Manx Laydown (tech spec) Bob Proudman18930Gear Box Scarborough Bottom Gear P.R23137Gear Box Selection AMC Box A.D19043Gear Box types J.A P.H Neville Hinton24029,30Gear Identification P. Roydhouse13620Gear Ratios Explained A.D16126Girder Forks22844Guide To Selection Of Oil For Your Eng12527Heavy Weight Twin Engine Work Phill Hannam20042Heavy Weight Twin Frame/ Wheel/ G/Box P.Hannam19838Heavy Weight Twin Mods Tech J.H1081, 2History of 500/350 T 1945/7 P. Roydhouse1314 5Hybrids Norton/Matchless B.E17211Inter Cam Box Repairs23041Inter Eng and Unleaded20138Inter Engine C/Head gasket?21740Inter Timing OHC Tech Spec B.P19842Interpol Tech Details1136, 7, 8, 9, 10John Player Look a Like22541Jubilee 1959 Re Build Details Inc Photo21932Jubilee Advice and Tips A.S18838Jubilee Front/ Rear Mudguards C/Stand A.S23240Jubilee Gearing A.S21239Jubilee Noises A.S24737Jubilee Notes A.S17329Jubilee Oil Leak23040Jubilee Oil Leaks / Ignition Trouble22240Kick-Start Leaks10719Kokusan Alternator for Commando B.S24238Lead Free Conversions (ES2) D.K19841Lead Replacement Petrol Adds20337Lightweight Centre Stands Probs16624Lightweight Electrics 12v/Elec/Ign fitting etc18136Lightweight Main Bearings A.S15726Lightweight Mains A.S16126Lightweight Rear Wheel Spacers Diagram A.S16425Lightweight Timing Twin J. Hudson18228Lightweight Tyre Choice20140Luggage Racks (Cravens)20542M.O.T Silencers? Regs21639Magneto New BTH22620Magneto Oiling21037Manifold Adaptor Plates Strongberg1158Manx 350 For Road Use advice B,S23238Manx Nortons History 1931 to 1939 /data.P.R1739,10,11,12,13Manx Re build Story19828Manx Rebuild20232Manx Valve Timing / Cams Spec B.S19542McCandless / Bell F.Bed Spec9412Mikuni Carb Parts Data812Mix and Match Norton Parts P.H19738,39Model 18 1926 Frame Shot18441Model P.10 SS 800cc data J.H5713More Electrics Al Oz772Motor Cycle Sound/Movement20636Multigrade Oil21543Navigator Notes A.Sochanik17931Navigator Power Box A.S18640Navigator Spec Pistons etc A.S24234Navigators Unleaded etc20834NGK Spark Plugs For Nortons B.S19938Non Standard Extras P.Roydhouse13722Norton 350 OHV "History and Spec" P. Roydhouse1259, 10, 12, 13Norton Production Numbers 1935-40 P. Roydhouse1328, 9Norton Publications Abroad14728Norvil Head Steady14428Oil (magnets in the oil) P.H24337OIL Basic Information D.V19440,41,42,43Oil Choice/Oil Choice 2 G.B C.H24725,26Oil Equivalents for Gearbox20236Oil Feed Ball Valve13829Oil Feed Valve Conversion1409Oil for Rotaries20040Oil Pipe Diagram /Flow Lightweights N.N.C A.S23542Oil Pressure Gauge21239Oil Pump Service P.H23536,37,38,39Oil Pump Reconditioning A.D19142Oil Pumps Dommie J.H16521Oil Recommendations For Most Models D.K19936Oil related (Black) / breathers twins J.H16224Oil Spec15029Oil Spec Morris Oil14227Oil/Lub Types ES2etc20630Oil/Multigrade (ES2)21339Oil/Multigrades21441OIL/Multigrades(oils grease spec)21238,9,40,1Oil/Rubber In Sump21836Paint Candy Apple Red21326Paint Colour Burgundy Atlas Mixtures18913Paint Colour Dommie Metalescent Blue19519Paint Colour Dove Grey19423Paint Colour References15130PAINT COLOURS EQUIVALENTS21036Paint Commando Grey Yokes etc23541Paint Commando Yellow20540Paint Cylinder Barrel Warning P.H24338Paint Dominator Colours J.H15724Paint Frame Finishing16425Paint Jubilee Colours A.S23239Paint Norvil Yellow23340Paint Powder Coat Strip23039Paint Red J.H16325Paint Tank Colour ref pre 4022242Paint Wheel Stripes21440Petrol Additives Tests20538Petrol Additives Types20641Petrol Tank Leaks Repair Jobs20438Petrol Tanks Fibre Glass Repair21236Petrol Unleaded/Additives21340Piston Rings Cords14530Piston Rings Manx Dykes J.H15826Piston Top Scratches21542Pistons Dommie J.H16522Plug Caps21743Porous Parts15926Primary Chaincase Sealant18442Primary Chaincase The Tin One!18329Push Rod Materials B.S16924Race Engines And Related Matters20037Race Engines And Related Matters gas fl etc B.P19940Racing a Dominator D.Rabone14213, 14, 15, 18Racing Twins J.H16124RITA Lucas Ign16627Road Test 1948 16H13910, 11, 12, 13Road Test 1953 ES214010, 11, 12, 13Road Test 1959 250 cc Jubilee1414, 5, 6, 7Road Test JP Norton J.N17314Road Test Mod 7 194913813, 14, 15, 16Road Tests Motor Cycling 1926-4013925Rocker Lightening22442Rocker Oil Feeds Twins J.H/A.D17130Rotary Advice19042Rotary Advice21245Rotary Engine Part 2 B.S17128Rotary Engine R.S16724Rotary Running Problems21641Rotary Spark Plugs18933Rotary Tech Adv B.S17226Side Car Frame Problems20540Side Valve 16h Big 4 Mod To Alloy Heads767Side Valve 16h Notes J.H16726Side Valve 16h With Two Cylinders2229Sidecar Fitting to Featherbed22037Sidecar Yokes Dimensions11521Sidecars on Commandos1122Sidecars on Featherbeds J.H1123Smoking Commando22340Spare Part Numbering Explained N Hinton13611Sparkplug Gaps for E/Tronic Ign17627Speedo Gearboxes Spec A.S19342Sprocket Eng Mod 5021333Sprockets Engine MK 314630Stainless Steel Handle Bars?19842Steering Yoke identification J.H18029SU Carb15030SU Carbs Mods C.G23138SU Carbs Spec20542SU Conversion14828, 29, 30Swing Arm Spindle Puller15227Swinging Arm Bush Removal20640Tacho Drive Sealing17627Thread Equivalents22342Timing Finding TDC21443Timing Formula Al Oz8020Timing Pushrod Singles22142Timing Singles OHV (1931-61)20631Timing Slipping Mag20139Tin Chaincase Leaks771Torque Settings/ES2etc21239Tractors Norton20124Transmission Losses/ Horsepower C.S24024Transmissions Losses ES2 etc D.D23926Trials Spec21326Trials Spec info20543Tuning OHV inc 500T20437Twin 650 replacement casesinfo/data J.H16926Twin 650ss Cy Head Cast No. J.H17029Twin Barrel Spigots J.H18031Twin Flywheels Recognition . J.H17935Twins 650 pistons in 600 engs J.H17428Twins Eng Mods J.H17327Twins History J.Hudson17934Twins Notes on Dismantling J.H15626, 27, 28Twins Tech19739Two In To One Exhaust Systems21542Tyre Pumps J.H16626Tyres J.H16226Tyres Tested17521, 14Unified Twin Antony Curzon23936,37,38,39.Unleaded / Valve Inserts spec J.H18442Unleaded Fuel Conv For Big 4 A.H D.K19642Unleaded Petrol22442Unleaded Petrol20242Unleaded Petrol20142Unleaded Petrol and Ignition21332V Twin Norton17726Valve OHV/Side Design Details21838,39Valve Seat Inserts Material/ Spec (J.Hudson)18132Valves for OHVs 1934/6222441Valves Model 5020940W.D Nortons 1936-45 P. Roydhouse15014Warning Light Assm Al Oz17628Wet Sumping22840Wet Sumping Dominator J.H15725Wheel Alignment A.D20338Wheel Offset Commando J.H16726Wheel Spindle Nut Threads14116Which Oil?1386, 7Wiring Colours Fault Finding Al Oz15630Wiring Diagram Error 88,99,50 ES2 Al.Oz16725Zener Diodes P.H24337

Submitted by nick_coates on Tue, 28/10/2014

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Previously Pete McDermott wrote:

Previously nick_coates wrote:

Dear All

It is interesting you raise this question.

Some years ago 4 may be, I decided to compile a spread sheet with ALL the technical article in road holder for around the previous 15 or more years as I was fed up with people 're-inventing the wheel' every year or so and also for my own use in finding information....ie, I have seen that before, where is it??

I spent a year to eighteen months on this difficult task, including holidays in the sun.

I sent this spread sheet to the then mag editor who said he was very impressed with the work and wanted to publish, I said no,I was a few road holder mags missing and I wanted to finish the work, so I went to a classic bike show where committee members attended and asked NL for copies of the missing mags to have or borrow to finish the work (about 6-8).

He said 'you have waisted your time, the club has this already compiled', I asked if I could have a copy....."NO" can I have the missing road holder mags?...."NO"

I still have the spread sheet for my own use, missing some road holder editions.

So this is why, you have not / never will never see tech info, it is top secret.

Nick

Nick, that sounds incredible if as you describe - what an opportunity missed. If you could list the RHs that you are missing to complete your spreadsheet I am sure members would help out. I have most issues from Nov/Dec 1977 onwards and I would be only too happy to send you photocopies of any needed amongst these.

About the same as Phil has just published.

nick

Submitted by niall_topping on Wed, 29/10/2014

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Now it has been established that an index of technical articles does exist, is it possible that these could be scanned in and made available (to members only if need be, probably better if it was) via the Technical section of the website?. As Nick says it would provide a resource for new members who, otherwise, invariably ask the same questions, not that that is necessarily a bad thing as it does engage them with other members.......

Anyway, I digress, now I know that the article on OHV valve timing I wanted is in RH 206, if only I could find RH 206...

Submitted by richard_evans on Tue, 30/08/2016

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Previously tim_harrison wrote:

It would be more manageable to reproduce articles that are already in existence, for example as Niall suggests, Mike Pemberton's. We are in the process of editing and putting the long awaaited Dominator Service notes online. This will ensure that a considerable amount of information previously unpublished will be available to members

Tim

Previously Niall Topping wrote:

Years ago, I remember the club publishing and sending out a collection of technical articles, as the NOC handbook, this was a handy little tome, and I still refer to it, but I wish we could have a newer version, particularly with Mike Pembertons collected articles in it, failing this could the back catalogue of articles from Roadholder be made available through this website for members? I know we should all keep all our Roadholders properly indexed in a fire proof vault, but I have mine all jumbled up and I can never find the one I want.

I recognise that this would mean a lot of work for somebody, but there is a wealth of technical gen there, not easily accessible.

Submitted by john_sunderland on Tue, 22/11/2016

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John:

I've down loaded and save both file types but can't open them with MS Excel. Which version are they saved in?

John Sunderland

Submitted by anthony_clayphon on Tue, 22/11/2016

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Previously John Sunderland wrote:

John:

I've down loaded and save both file types but can't open them with MS Excel. Which version are they saved in?

John Sunderland

The reason is the file suffix.

It should be .xls NOT -xls. Similarly .xlsx NOT -xlsx

Submitted by bruce_mitchell on Wed, 23/11/2016

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Previously richard_evans wrote:

was the Dominator Service Notes ever completed and published?

I'd really like a copy of that! Who would know? ... I contacted the original poster and asked.

Submitted by gordon_johnston on Wed, 23/11/2016

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I would happily pay for Dominator Service Notes. Phil's index of technical articles is excellent except, like many others I suspect, I don't keep my old Roadholders. Sacrilege I know but when you live in a tiny house with another half who is a bit of a hoarder some things have to go. Can't be the other half, she has more bikes than I do and she would take them with her.

Submitted by richard_evans on Wed, 23/11/2016

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I was unable to open the document either and simply copied and pasted then into XL.

Like others I have not kept the original Roadholders and simply, over time, cut out and kept articles that interested me.

The index is an invaluable cross reference to the Roadholder which are kept here on line, but for this purpose it's just a pity that they are referenced only by Issue Number and not Month and Year as they are on the forum (a job for someone over the dark winter nights - if anyone is so inclined and has access to the originals please publish the result)

Please Bruce if you do get a response let us know.

Submitted by richard_evans on Thu, 24/11/2016

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Can anyone enlighten me as regards opening the above file. Changed to .xis from -xis and still does not open. Using Microsoft XL 2010

Submitted by phil_hannam on Thu, 24/11/2016

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Attached to this note is a copy of the original RH Tech Index File as first compiledby John Morgan. I think that it was done as an Excel file but I could only open it using Open Office.

I do believe that the RH editor has now updated this file with a view to eventually adding it alongside the historic issues of Roaholder that can be viewed on this site.

Attachments tech-talk-index-a-z-xls

Submitted by bruce_mitchell on Thu, 24/11/2016

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Previously richard_evans wrote:

Can anyone enlighten me as regards opening the above file. Changed to .xis from -xis and still does not open. Using Microsoft XL 2010

Change it to .XLS not .xis - I used caps to show the letter is an L. It opens for me fine with the same version of Excel.

Submitted by richard_evans on Thu, 24/11/2016

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Thanks Bruce got it that time. Still wish the months and years were shown though. Thanks for all your hard work I can image in the time it would have taken.

Submitted by richard_evans on Thu, 24/11/2016

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PS: Ive discovered there is an index citing month and year in the Roadholder Section, but not to the one we have been discussing.

http://www.nortonownersclub.org/roadholder/indexes/roadholder-index-v1

Although this index goes back a long time, I presume the only Roadholders available on line only go back as far as 2006. If that is the case there is a long way to go to have a definitive collection to refer to.

Submitted by dougie_muir on Thu, 24/11/2016

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Previously Niall Topping wrote:

Now it has been established that an index of technical articles does exist, is it possible that these could be scanned in and made available (to members only if need be, probably better if it was) via the Technical section of the website?. As Nick says it would provide a resource for new members who, otherwise, invariably ask the same questions, not that that is necessarily a bad thing as it does engage them with other members.......

Anyway, I digress, now I know that the article on OHV valve timing I wanted is in RH 206, if only I could find RH 206...

Niall. Unfortunately RH206 will not help you much as the only reference I can find to valve timing is a letter from John Morgan asking for information on this and giving the settings on his bike, which he thought were wrong. No-one offered any advice in RH207 or 208. RH208 did however have an interesting article by Mike P on his ES2 manx replica where he was playing about with cams and valve timings amongst other things. Email me if you want a copy - email on Branch Page of RH. Dougie

Submitted by tony_ripley on Thu, 24/11/2016

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Previously richard_evans wrote:

PS: Ive discovered there is an index citing month and year in the Roadholder Section, but not to the one we have been discussing.

http://www.nortonownersclub.org/roadholder/indexes/roadholder-index-v1

Although this index goes back a long time, I presume the only Roadholders available on line only go back as far as 2006. If that is the case there is a long way to go to have a definitive collection to refer to.

Hi Richard,

The NOC are in the process of scanning in ALL roadholders back to Issue 1. They will slowly be put up on this site in batches of a year at a time.

As I am sure you will appreciate, this does take time but we will get there.

Regards

Tony

 


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