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Well the photo of the Machine on May's NOC calender State's that the silencer are the correct one's for the Norton Manxman 650, Well if you like these silencers thats up too the owner Mr Taylor But these silencer thats on this motorcycle are the wrong type for the Norton Manxman 650, As It had its own silencers and they where never fitted too any other Norton after it, and the Part s numbers from My Norton manxman 650 Parts Manual are part number 23174RH and 23437LH and the photo below will show the correct ones as they have a duel baffle plate in, One inside the other, and the a lot thicker metal than the ones that the 650ss had fitted, And the right Manxman type silencers had seams down ether side and a big triangular shaped welded bracket on one side of the silencer , These Silencers where made at Bracebridge street workshop by Norton crafts men and now there like hens teeth too get hold of, As no one as reproduced them, so I just putting some one in the right direction on the Norton Manxman 650, and a Note the Norton manxman silencer have a nice mellow note too them its like music . ever one who hears them say that they sound nice,

the Photo Manxman 48KZ is a manxman recovered from a garage in New Jersey its all most original , yours anna j dixon

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thanks anna for you pointing out that the silencers were incorrect

and also giving us the part number we really needed to know that.

thats been bothering me for years and now i know... thanks.

did you also know the manxman should only have a single carb

due to them being in short supply at the time.

and they all had slightly raised bars due to the fact that

they were made for the chinese market and the average

chinese male only had short arms.

hope this is of some interest to you...not

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Previously anthony_williams wrote:

thanks anna for you pointing out that the silencers were incorrect

and also giving us the part number we really needed to know that.

thats been bothering me for years and now i know... thanks.

did you also know the manxman should only have a single carb

due to them being in short supply at the time.

and they all had slightly raised bars due to the fact that

they were made for the Chinese market and the average

Chinese male only had short arms.

hope this is of some interest to you...not

Are you for real, The Norton Manxman was exported to the USA, By Berliner motors First 330 machines where sent on January 13th 1961,

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Well I found your post about the silencers interesting Anna, even if Anthony clearly did not. It is a shame he felt the need to resort to sarcasm and rudeness. It is that sort of attention to detail which provides accurate restorations, for which thereis most certainly a place in this hobby of ours.

Regards. Ian

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I think Tonys post was a tounge in cheek response to Anna's almost daily posts about the Norton Manxman, and the criticism of bikes that are not strictly standard.

His hobby is putting big trans continental mileage on his Dommie, Commando, and ES2, which have been suitably modified with non standard and foreign made parts to make this a reliable possibility.

He does still have all his Amal carbs and sets of points to put back on if he ever decides to keep his Nortons as garage queens. He keeps them in a cardboard box under the stairs which is probably the best place for them.

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Interesting subject restoration to standard. There was a programme on the TV about restoring a barn find Series 1 Land Rover a couple of weeks ago. A beautiful restoration, but all the comment on the Land Rover forum was what a shame - now it's just another restored Land Rover. All its history has been lost. That's one reason I am not a purist. My bikes are modified to improve practicality and reliability. I like to see the odd bash, scrape and dent because I know how they got there and what they represent. I love the history of my bikes.

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Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

Interesting subject restoration to standard. There was a programme on the TV about restoring a barn find Series 1 Land Rover a couple of weeks ago. A beautiful restoration, but all the comment on the Land Rover forum was what a shame - now it's just another restored Land Rover. All its history has been lost. That's one reason I am not a purist. My bikes are modified to improve practicality and reliability. I like to see the odd bash, scrape and dent because I know how they got there and what they represent. I love the history of my bikes.

well I do ride my norton manxman this week I put in 300 mile or more just Shopping , And I get guys looking at my bike in the car park at Asda , but this information was for Mr Tayor in in USA , And like these bikes or not they where built in Birmingham by Craftsmen at Norton Motors Aston , now these skills lost,witch is sad , yours annaj

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Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

Interesting subject restoration to standard. There was a programme on the TV about restoring a barn find Series 1 Land Rover a couple of weeks ago. A beautiful restoration, but all the comment on the Land Rover forum was what a shame - now it's just another restored Land Rover. All its history has been lost. That's one reason I am not a purist. My bikes are modified to improve practicality and reliability. I like to see the odd bash, scrape and dent because I know how they got there and what they represent. I love the history of my bikes.

gordon.

your comments were spot on about restoration.

i posted a reply lastnight to a comment anna made.it was a tongue in cheek comment /// and it took all of 13 minutes to reply sooner than i actually thought.i didn,t read it at the time.was in the pub planning a day out with friends on my ridged girder single.which happens to be none standard.just returned another 100 plus miles.

the point i,m actually trying to make is this.

this forum has to many people giving advice.[which we all need from time to time]but in the process slagging people off because thay have differant views. i am this year going four norton events three are abroad.thats what i like to do ride my nortons.and i get sick of people telling me[ thats not standard and it didn,t come out of the factory like that.]well i know that because i put the things on there.and all the things i taken off are in boxs under my bench.best place for them.thats if i want to ride any distance.when i hang up my riding boots the parts will go with the bikes to the next owner.and if he wish,s he can replace them[providing he only go's to his local meet with all the other shiny bike's.until that day i'll riding over europe on my commando with [modern truimph 955i switch gear waiting for the next guy to tell me what i already know.]

i ride with a good friend who uses a bsa wd m20. with a b31 engine and we don,t have to wait long until we are reminded. thats the wrong engine ? and we keep telling them its not the wrong engine it a differant engine[and for them who don;t know bsa offered a ohv engine to the military but thay wanted the side valve] to sum it up if you want to restore and polish do so/if you want to change the bike to suit yourself do so./there is a guy who posts comment on here[ we all know who he is]and he has to remind someone[ thats] not standard [this] is not standard.but forgeting his commando frame may be from italy. and we all know there are twice as many bsa rocket gold stars as were made].do what you want to your steed and get out there and enjoy it[rant now over]

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Previously anthony_williams wrote:

Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

Interesting subject restoration to standard. There was a programme on the TV about restoring a barn find Series 1 Land Rover a couple of weeks ago. A beautiful restoration, but all the comment on the Land Rover forum was what a shame - now it's just another restored Land Rover. All its history has been lost. That's one reason I am not a purist. My bikes are modified to improve practicality and reliability. I like to see the odd bash, scrape and dent because I know how they got there and what they represent. I love the history of my bikes.

gordon.

your comments were spot on about restoration.

i posted a reply lastnight to a comment anna made.it was a tongue in cheek comment /// and it took all of 13 minutes to reply sooner than i actually thought.i didn,t read it at the time.was in the pub planning a day out with friends on my ridged girder single.which happens to be none standard.just returned another 100 plus miles.

the point i,m actually trying to make is this.

this forum has to many people giving advice.[which we all need from time to time]but in the process slagging people off because thay have differant views. i am this year going four norton events three are abroad.thats what i like to do ride my nortons.and i get sick of people telling me[ thats not standard and it didn,t come out of the factory like that.]well i know that because i put the things on there.and all the things i taken off are in boxs under my bench.best place for them.thats if i want to ride any distance.when i hang up my riding boots the parts will go with the bikes to the next owner.and if he wish,s he can replace them[providing he only go's to his local meet with all the other shiny bike's.until that day i'll riding over europe on my commando with [modern truimph 955i switch gear waiting for the next guy to tell me what i already know.]

i ride with a good friend who uses a bsa wd m20. with a b31 engine and we don,t have to wait long until we are reminded. thats the wrong engine ? and we keep telling them its not the wrong engine it a differant engine[and for them who don;t know bsa offered a ohv engine to the military but thay wanted the side valve] to sum it up if you want to restore and polish do so/if you want to change the bike to suit yourself do so./there is a guy who posts comment on here[ we all know who he is]and he has to remind someone[ thats] not standard [this] is not standard.but forgetting his commando frame may be from Italy. and we all know there are twice as many BSA rocket gold stars as were made]do what you want to your steed and get out there and enjoy it[rant now over]

Well this was not meant as criticism to the owner , but information on the correct silencers As these are not in the 1961/1962 parts manual for models Es2/ model-50 &model 88/99 std /de-luxe/ & 88-99SS & 650std /de-luxe &650SS , as the Norton Manxman as its own parts manual in A4 size , so if you have not got this parts manual you will not know that you have the right parts will you, Yours Anna J Dixon

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Previously anthony_williams wrote:

Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

Interesting subject restoration to standard. There was a programme on the TV about restoring a barn find Series 1 Land Rover a couple of weeks ago. A beautiful restoration, but all the comment on the Land Rover forum was what a shame - now it's just another restored Land Rover. All its history has been lost. That's one reason I am not a purist. My bikes are modified to improve practicality and reliability. I like to see the odd bash, scrape and dent because I know how they got there and what they represent. I love the history of my bikes.

gordon.

your comments were spot on about restoration.

i posted a reply lastnight to a comment anna made.it was a tongue in cheek comment /// and it took all of 13 minutes to reply sooner than i actually thought.i didn,t read it at the time.was in the pub planning a day out with friends on my ridged girder single.which happens to be none standard.just returned another 100 plus miles.

the point i,m actually trying to make is this.

this forum has to many people giving advice.[which we all need from time to time]but in the process slagging people off because thay have differant views. i am this year going four norton events three are abroad.thats what i like to do ride my nortons.and i get sick of people telling me[ thats not standard and it didn,t come out of the factory like that.]well i know that because i put the things on there.and all the things i taken off are in boxs under my bench.best place for them.thats if i want to ride any distance.when i hang up my riding boots the parts will go with the bikes to the next owner.and if he wish,s he can replace them[providing he only go's to his local meet with all the other shiny bike's.until that day i'll riding over europe on my commando with [modern truimph 955i switch gear waiting for the next guy to tell me what i already know.]

i ride with a good friend who uses a bsa wd m20. with a b31 engine and we don,t have to wait long until we are reminded. thats the wrong engine ? and we keep telling them its not the wrong engine it a differant engine[and for them who don;t know bsa offered a ohv engine to the military but thay wanted the side valve] to sum it up if you want to restore and polish do so/if you want to change the bike to suit yourself do so./there is a guy who posts comment on here[ we all know who he is]and he has to remind someone[ thats] not standard [this] is not standard.but forgeting his commando frame may be from italy. and we all know there are twice as many bsa rocket gold stars as were made].do what you want to your steed and get out there and enjoy it[rant now over]

Well slagging people of is strongly forbidden On this Technical treads and my information was just that technical information , what you may of experienced with other, dose not mean you have Tar every one with the same Brush, So keep it technical experiences and Norton data that you may to share with other owners of the club

,yours Anna J

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Hi Guys,

I think the point that has been missed is that the calendar states the bike has the correct silencers. As Anna point out this is not the case.

You would be surprised at the number of people who consider the calendar as a good source of restoration to 'standard'.

Some owners do like to be able to restore to what they may consider standard and so having accurate information is important.

Regards

Tony

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Previously Tony Ripley wrote:

Hi Guys,

I think the point that has been missed is that the calendar states the bike has the correct silencers. As Anna point out this is not the case.

You would be surprised at the number of people who consider the calendar as a good source of restoration to 'standard'.

Some owners do like to be able to restore to what they may consider standard and so having accurate information is important.

Regards

Tony

Thank you Tony for that , And my point exactly, but the original silencer are extremely hard to get hold of, This is why I am trying my best to get the NOC to have a small batch made by leading exhaust makers , but the Engineering Blue print drawing have gone missing or someone is holding on to them and this is hold up the Process of making new Batch of silencers , if you have ever heard these silencer in action then you know why I say they sound like Music, thats how good they sound, and they even sound ten times better that window ratting Goldie Silencer , yours Anna j

 


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