hello , would be grateful for some guidance . I have just got my 1972 750 commando on the road after a long lay off ( 10 years ) . All has gone well on short runs except having problems setting clutch to get a neutral easily . Today I went for a longer run ( 25 miles ) suddenly things went wrong my kickstart had rotated and was jammed under the exhaust ! I stopped and released it and it sprang back correctly the engine was ticking over nicely . Upon restarting there was a nasty noise that seemed to come from the primary case and the kickstart swung down again ! I managed to get home by jamming my foot against the starter but still had a grating noise which didn't seem so bad with the clutch pulled in . On arriving home I had developed an oil leak , smelt like ep 90 but gearbox level looked ok . On the stand the engine ran fine and all the gears selected quietly but the starter was slightly moving down . Any advice would be welcome thanks .
cheers Roy
That has all the hall mark…
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Previously sam_milner wrot…
Previously sam_milner wrote:
That has all the hall marks of gearbox layshaft bearing failure.
Strip the box down and check, don't ride the bike until you've done this, it can cause the box to seize with disastrous results.
sam
thank you for your advice sam .
I have only tinkered with a C15 gearbox , is it possible to replace the bearing at home ? Do you need any special tools ?
Can you tell I have been riding modern stuff for 40 years ?
thanks again
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Yes you can do this at hom…
Yes you can do this at home, I repaired my layshaft bearing with the bike parked in the street, the main shaft can stay in and the rest of the gears and layshaft are all removable. You take the layshaft bearing out using a hot air gun on the gearbox shell and use a hammer on a solid piece of hardwood against the outside gearboxof shell from the primary side to shock it out. Not too much different to a C15 gearbox. The replacement bearing is a roller not a ball so you need to shim the endfloat. It's the cage that fails and the balls fall out and jam the gears, I found balls split into 2 in the bottom of my box.
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Hi John , thanks for your…
Hi John , thanks for your reply ! After looking at my manuals I thought I would have to take the gearbox out . Your comments and advice are a relief !
thanks again , Roy
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Almost certainly the laysh…
Almost certainly the layshaft bearing indeed.
Although it is more work to remove the box, I can't help thinking that it's the easier way of doing it and if there is any additional damage and the shell has to be removed, it's easier if the primary drive has been loosened first.
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I didn't need to hammer t…
I didn't need to hammer the wood against the shell, heated the shell up and the bearing came out with the layshaft.
sam
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thanks for comments sam an…
thanks for comments sam and Richard , having given it more thought I need to establish where the oil has come from . It was dry before it smells like EP90 but it was smeared all over so difficult to trace .Worst case I suppose would be sleeve gear oil seal , to replace that I imagine gearbox removal is a must !
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It is possible that if the…
It is possible that if the layshaft ball bearing has failed, it could have allowed the shaft to move outward enough to crack the casing - quite a common outcome, but not a disaster, as the casing can be welded. That could explain your oil smell? I had found this damage on my Mk 3 casing, but it had also cracked between the two bearings, which is different matter and resulted in a new casing being required.
Andy
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thanks for the information Andy , hope case is not damaged but I guess I will have to dismantle it to find out .
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I had a layshaft bearing f…
I had a layshaft bearing failure on a 650SS I was restoring and it was terrifying. The gearbox locked up and locked the rear wheel. As John Holmes says the cage had broken and I had no warning and it was sudden.
Now, I always change the layshaft bearing to a roller first with any new Norton. There does seem different opinions about the best type of replacement.
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thank you for your comments Peter , I am in the process of stripping down , just stuck with mainshaft nut ! When I establish what has failed I will post my findings
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That has all the hall marks of gearbox layshaft bearing failure.
Strip the box down and check, don't ride the bike until you've done this, it can cause the box to seize with disastrous results.
sam