Sean Kynnersley

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Good to talk to you at the Stafford show Sean and many thanks for clearing a few things up. I will when finances allow now be buying a new Commando. And no i dont expect a reply even though i know know you read the posts. All the best, Guy.

Hi Guy, It was great to talk to you at Stafford at the weekend, Stuart, my father and I had a superb time. All positive and well worth going. Pop down to the Norton factory sometime and I will give you the royal tour,a brew, followed by a test ride ???

Best regards Sean

Hi Guy,

don't be to surprised at the reply, as a Norton customer I have found their communications to be top drawer. I'm the proud owner of a new 961 Sport and I can report that the whole experience has been cracking. I've put well over 500 miles on it and loved every minute.How is it you may ask, ok its different a weird mix of old and new, its vibey at speed and handles superbly never mind the reports of slow steering (compared to what ?) if you wanted something mass produced you'd be knocking on BMWs door. High oil consumption ? not on mine its not used a drop.Ok I may well be biased now I ride one, would I swop it for anything else, not a chance, will I change the plank they call a seat, you frigging bet I will. go for it mate I don't think you would regret it....Thanks Norton Terry.

What Terry said!

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi Terry

As for the reports of hi oil consumption, Sean explained that to me. Shall we say its not machine trouble its operator trouble. When the funds allow........

Guy, if you really believe that an "operator" is the cause of high oil consumption on some machines then words fail me.....

Previously david_charlesworth wrote:

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi Terry

As for the reports of hi oil consumption, Sean explained that to me. Shall we say its not machine trouble its operator trouble. When the funds allow........

Guy, if you really believe that an "operator" is the cause of high oil consumption on some machines then words fail me.....

Oh come on David...

Cheer up!

He hasn't even bought the bike yet!

The words fail to me as well, David.

If Mr. Kiinnersley was serious with the statment, that high oil consumption of Norton 961 engine can be influenced by the operator, I would like to be explained how. And it will be for benefit of all 961 owners, I think. Obviosly he will argue with the negligence of the operator to check the oil level. But how the affected drivers noticed the high oil consumption without checking the oil level and toping up every couple of hundred miles? And why did the oil cunsumption rise suddenly after recomended running in milage? At least in my case.

Gabriel

Previously lee_blackburn wrote:

Previously david_charlesworth wrote:

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi Terry

As for the reports of hi oil consumption, Sean explained that to me. Shall we say its not machine trouble its operator trouble. When the funds allow........

Guy, if you really believe that an "operator" is the cause of high oil consumption on some machines then words fail me.....

Oh come on David...

Cheer up!

He hasn't even bought the bike yet!

Lee, I'm not miserable believe it or not.

Previously david_charlesworth wrote:

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi Terry

As for the reports of hi oil consumption, Sean explained that to me. Shall we say its not machine trouble its operator trouble. When the funds allow........

Guy, if you really believe that an "operator" is the cause of high oil consumption on some machines then words fail me.....

We don't know what Sean actually said regarding high oil consumption, I don't think he would have said it was operator error. Until we see something direct from Sean on this we cannot really comment. I only know that all the owners I have spoken to in the UK have not had this problem.

I do agree with you Guy that the tank does feel rather narrow at the rear at first but I soon got used to it. It's a shame it's not wider though it would give a bit more capacity.

Previously John McNicoll wrote:

Previously david_charlesworth wrote:

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi Terry

As for the reports of hi oil consumption, Sean explained that to me. Shall we say its not machine trouble its operator trouble. When the funds allow........

Guy, if you really believe that an "operator" is the cause of high oil consumption on some machines then words fail me.....

We don't know what Sean actually said regarding high oil consumption, I don't think he would have said it was operator error. Until we see something direct from Sean on this we cannot really comment. I only know that all the owners I have spoken to in the UK have not had this problem.

I do agree with you Guy that the tank does feel rather narrow at the rear at first but I soon got used to it. It's a shame it's not wider though it would give a bit more capacity.

My comment was a direct response to Guy's post and not an attempt to think or guess what Mr Kynnersley may or may not have said . But as the saying goes "There is no smoke without fire"

Previously david_charlesworth wrote:

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi Terry

As for the reports of hi oil consumption, Sean explained that to me. Shall we say its not machine trouble its operator trouble. When the funds allow........

Guy, if you really believe that an "operator" is the cause of high oil consumption on some machines then words fail me.....

Try ' If you believe that, you'll believe anything '.

Done over 5,000 miles and not used a drop? obviously changed at services etc. Admitedly there is issue with dip stick design and measuring oil level process of running for 30 secs etc etc but have no problems here. Some people moan about blue smoke and using lots of oil.... stop topping it up and I bet your blue smoke will soon stop once you get rid of the overfill!

Previously dominic_loram wrote:

Some people moan about blue smoke and using lots of oil.... stop topping it up and I bet your blue smoke will soon stop once you get rid of the overfill!

And if it has not been overfilled?

Probably best not to comment on something you - by your own admission -have no experience of

If you have a dry sump engine, the only risk from overfilling the oil tank is that you may get oil blown out of the tank breather. If Norton had used a wet sump engine, then overfilling could lead to high levels of aeration of the oil and also high level of consumption until the surplus is lost. As I understand it the 961 has a dry sump engine so the statement that overfilling will cause high oil consumption incorrect

If you have a dry sump engine, the only risk from overfilling the oil tank is that you may get oil blown out of the tank breather. If Norton had used a wet sump engine, then overfilling could lead to high levels of aeration of the oil and also high level of consumption until the surplus is lost. As I understand it the 961 has a dry sump engine so the statement that overfilling will cause high oil consumption incorrect

Hello All owners of 961 I am with Charles On this one if there Nicosil Bores then it can only be the piston rings are not made from the right materials or the correct thickness of the ring and not making the right contact beween piston rings and bore , allowing oil to blow by and to be burnt in the combustion chamber , just like if the engine was a worn out engine , For a New Motorcycle engine to do this . it Should Not Happen And The Manufacture Should take the Blame the engines have not been bench tested , if this happen in the car industry you get another new car and appolgys and free oil changes free fuel for two years , But Norton Motorcycles are just ignoring it so it will go away, its Not good enough , even If the the machine got the famous Name of Norton On it or Not, And the none respones Of Norton Motorcycles Is Not doing the Name any favors and if not corrected they lose the Name all together , buy Now any other Manufacture would have sorted this out, and be building a New model, this has not happend yet, are there finances wareing thin , these is clearly to me something wrong with the hole set up and the buck stops with the man at the top, Norton Name is not save in his hands thats clear too me, See below one set of piston with low mileage and you have burnt black deposits on the top of these piston a clear sign of oil burnt in the combustion chamber , So they know all about this and are having some difficulty Sorting it out or lots of head scracting going on !!! Yours Anna J

Anna please do not be offended. I tried to read your posting, which may or may notcontain pertinent information, but I gave upSo, please canI ask you to type slower, and then read and edit your posts before sending them and to please, please get them spell checked. I genuinely cannot make much sense of what you have said, which is a shame if you have access to information which others do not have, and are prepared to share it for the benefit of everybody on here.

She should not be putting photos on here that were very probably taken while on a factory visit. What a betrayal of trust.

When you go to inspect the factory premises of a potential supplier you go there to judge their business operation and to establish their business credility and you also keep your eyes open. In Anna's case (and I don't know the details ) Norton Motors very obviously failed to impress her with their business acumen. A factory visit arranged by a supplier is normally a sales pitch and unless there was some special circumstances there cannot be any question re a betrayal of trust.

Patrick

I rather wonder why Anna comments on the 961 thread when she doesn't have one. I get annoyed at her knocking a bike she doesn't have anything to do with.Fom my point of view, it's great to see new, modern up-to-date Nortons being produced. Good on you Sean!

Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

it's great to see new, modern up-to-date Nortons being produced. Good on you Sean!

Hello Gordon,

Surely you are not referring to the Norton 961 range ?. The 961 engine, which is the heart of any 'sports' type machine is at best described as 'retro' .

I thought that Sean had left Norton Motors a long time ago.Maybe just a slip of the pen (or finger). Anyway I have bought my new sports machine elsewhere so presumably I should cease comments.

Patrick

She should not be putting photos on here that were very probably taken while on a factory visit. What a betrayal of trust.

Hello what I would like to know Who's Trust , And yes from a my point of veiue I was Not impresed at all, to me it looked like backwards engineering , and the Norton Name died in october 1962 for me any many more enthusiasts , for me I would not ride a 961 even if some one bought me one, the Design is all wrong,

the Best modern design was Al Melling's Nemisis V8 its was going in the right direction its a shame the Investors pulled out, but some of you may dissagree

but most cannot see good engineering even if they fell over it ! Yours AJD

I rather wonder why Anna comments on the 961 thread when she doesn't have one. I get annoyed at her knocking a bike she doesn't have anything to do with.Fom my point of view, it's great to see new, modern up-to-date Nortons being produced. Good on you Sean!

Hello I am Not Knocking the Norton Name Or the machnie commando 961 , to be honist I am knocking the Man who Owns the Name, He as Not a Clue what he has On his Hands Preiod, He seams to use the Name like some Trophy, I have rided and Built and raced Norton Motorcycles for well over 45 years So do not tell me I am knocking the Name of Norton far from it, this guy has a duty to his customers And he is leaving them to sort out there own faults on there motorcycle and its within Warranty , Now that Should Not Happen to any owner no mater What name is on the Tank, pereod, so would you like this, well I have seen its all , yours AJD

Anna please do not be offended. I tried to read your posting, which may or may notcontain pertinent information, but I gave upSo, please canI ask you to type slower, and then read and edit your posts before sending them and to please, please get them spell checked. I genuinely cannot make much sense of what you have said, which is a shame if you have access to information which others do not have, and are prepared to share it for the benefit of everybody on here.

Well thats good no one take notes of me anyway ! yours Anna J

When you go to inspect the factory premises of a potential supplier you go there to judge their business operation and to establish their business credility and you also keep your eyes open. In Anna's case (and I don't know the details ) Norton Motors very obviously failed to impress her with their business acumen. A factory visit arranged by a supplier is normally a sales pitch and unless there was some special circumstances there cannot be any question re a betrayal of trust.

Patrick

Hello well this was back in 2010 and its No Factory and a million miles from ever being one, its was a big Storage Shed and some perfabricted building and most of it empty space, they assembled machines on a bike bench by four guys , they built something like 4 a week witch is not bad to say there was not that many there, working , I have lots of photos and I did ask if I could take photos too,

and there was more than one engine used in bits , the only reason I put this photo on was these guys are trying to put the blame on the owner for the oil consumption

saying there not checking the oil leaves, , when they been and tested there test bike and found the same fault, and not siad anything about it , hoping it would just dissapear like magic or it was just one or two bikes that was effected, there trying to walk away from it all , and not been honest, some owners have had to pay out for modifactions to over come the fault, of oil consumption even that the machine in question was under warranty, now how would you like this if it happed to you !, so its not about the Norton name or the Design of the 961, is how its all machined , and faults like oil consumption should of been sorted out well before any sales, you should not have this happen on any modern motorcycle, yours anna J

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. There Built with the light of experience .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. There Built with the light of experience .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...

But the 961 does not fire my passion ! its like the diffrence between a Diesel loco and a Steam Loco I just love Steam they give of a lot of feels its like there alive, Now that what a Norton gives off to me! Now I am Affraid to say this but a 961 is like your Diesel loco I have No passion for it, And what expereance ! the gear leaver on the wrong side for me any way cannot get on with bikes with a left gear stick , even the Italians had right hand gears untill the EU rules is killing the motorcycle industry thats Me over with,

Ah yes, I see it all much more clearly now.

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. There Built with the light of experience .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...

Well you keep on being confused , you may have fell in love with the 961 , Many Have Not, thats why there up for sale on ebay, has for Me I will Stick to Bracebridge street Built Nortons there The real Norton in my book but after saying this . there were some good bikes to follow one of the best was the Rotory it was going somewhere , where modern motorcycling concerned , but has for now only time will tell all, But I do not put my faith in it, ! I seen them come and I seen them go too , like the man siad it will run and run , trying to keep a name alive,

But the 961 does not fire my passion ! its like the diffrence between a Diesel loco and a Steam Loco I just love Steam they give of a lot of feels its like there alive, Now that what a Norton gives off to me! Now I am Affraid to say this but a 961 is like your Diesel loco I have No passion for it, And what expereance ! the gear leaver on the wrong side for me any way cannot get on with bikes with a left gear stick , even the Italians had right hand gears untill the EU rules is killing the motorcycle industry thats Me over with,

Hi Anna

Just so in future you can know what you're talking about this is an invitation to come ride my 961, my guess is that you will carry your prejudice with you but you may just surprise both me and yourself.

Anytime you want let me know you will enjoy yourself

Terry

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. There Built with the light of experience .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...

Well you keep on being confused , you may have fell in love with the 961 , Many Have Not, thats why there up for sale on ebay, has for Me I will Stick to Bracebridge street Built Nortons there The real Norton in my book but after saying this . there were some good bikes to follow one of the best was the Rotory it was going somewhere , where modern motorcycling concerned , but has for now only time will tell all, But I do not put my faith in it, ! I seen them come and I seen them go too , like the man siad it will run and run , trying to keep a name alive,

But the 961 does not fire my passion ! its like the diffrence between a Diesel loco and a Steam Loco I just love Steam they give of a lot of feels its like there alive, Now that what a Norton gives off to me! Now I am Affraid to say this but a 961 is like your Diesel loco I have No passion for it, And what expereance ! the gear leaver on the wrong side for me any way cannot get on with bikes with a left gear stick , even the Italians had right hand gears untill the EU rules is killing the motorcycle industry thats Me over with,

Hi Anna

Just so in future you can know what you're talking about this is an invitation to come ride my 961, my guess is that you will carry your prejudice with you but you may just surprise both me and yourself.

Anytime you want let me know you will enjoy yourself

Terry

Hello Terry well thanks for your offer of a trail ride, But if I real wanted a modern retro motorcycle I buy a real CB1100ex Classic custom , top quailty motorcycle Honda has done they work on this machine but its still has a left hand side Gear change, So its no good for me, Right hand side box only please, that all I will ride, yours Anna J

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously terry_woods wrote:

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. There Built with the light of experience .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...

Well you keep on being confused , you may have fell in love with the 961 , Many Have Not, thats why there up for sale on ebay, has for Me I will Stick to Bracebridge street Built Nortons there The real Norton in my book but after saying this . there were some good bikes to follow one of the best was the Rotory it was going somewhere , where modern motorcycling concerned , but has for now only time will tell all, But I do not put my faith in it, ! I seen them come and I seen them go too , like the man siad it will run and run , trying to keep a name alive,

But the 961 does not fire my passion ! its like the diffrence between a Diesel loco and a Steam Loco I just love Steam they give of a lot of feels its like there alive, Now that what a Norton gives off to me! Now I am Affraid to say this but a 961 is like your Diesel loco I have No passion for it, And what expereance ! the gear leaver on the wrong side for me any way cannot get on with bikes with a left gear stick , even the Italians had right hand gears untill the EU rules is killing the motorcycle industry thats Me over with,

Hi Anna

Just so in future you can know what you're talking about this is an invitation to come ride my 961, my guess is that you will carry your prejudice with you but you may just surprise both me and yourself.

Anytime you want let me know you will enjoy yourself

Terry

Hello Terry well thanks for your offer of a trail ride, But if I real wanted a modern retro motorcycle I buy a real CB1100ex Classic custom , top quailty motorcycle Honda has done they work on this machine but its still has a left hand side Gear change, So its no good for me, Right hand side box only please, that all I will ride, yours Anna J

But surley Anna thats a Jap motorcycle ??????

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously terry_woods wrote:

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. There Built with the light of experience .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...

Well you keep on being confused , you may have fell in love with the 961 , Many Have Not, thats why there up for sale on ebay, has for Me I will Stick to Bracebridge street Built Nortons there The real Norton in my book but after saying this . there were some good bikes to follow one of the best was the Rotory it was going somewhere , where modern motorcycling concerned , but has for now only time will tell all, But I do not put my faith in it, ! I seen them come and I seen them go too , like the man siad it will run and run , trying to keep a name alive,

But the 961 does not fire my passion ! its like the diffrence between a Diesel loco and a Steam Loco I just love Steam they give of a lot of feels its like there alive, Now that what a Norton gives off to me! Now I am Affraid to say this but a 961 is like your Diesel loco I have No passion for it, And what expereance ! the gear leaver on the wrong side for me any way cannot get on with bikes with a left gear stick , even the Italians had right hand gears untill the EU rules is killing the motorcycle industry thats Me over with,

Hi Anna

Just so in future you can know what you're talking about this is an invitation to come ride my 961, my guess is that you will carry your prejudice with you but you may just surprise both me and yourself.

Anytime you want let me know you will enjoy yourself

Terry

Hello Terry well thanks for your offer of a trail ride, But if I real wanted a modern retro motorcycle I buy a real CB1100ex Classic custom , top quailty motorcycle Honda has done they work on this machine but its still has a left hand side Gear change, So its no good for me, Right hand side box only please, that all I will ride, yours Anna J

But surley Anna thats a Jap motorcycle ??

Well spotted and ten times better built than any 961, thats cobbed to- gether with foreign parts , I may well build my own and It wont take me 2 years or more two do it, and the 961 is not a bispoke motorcycle ether has its been claimed at the end of the day it a up date of a old motocycle from the 1970s where has this Honda is based on a 1970s looks but its all new, and not based on any of there old models. not even the CB750 is anywhere like it, its in a class of its own and its a very good looking motorcycle to , I have owned Honda's in the past but there nothing like this machnie , these are than well made they run for ever by just adding petrol and oil and the odd tyers and chain and sprokets now and then it would see me out for then next 40 years anyway , But then so will my Norton Manxman 650 its now 54 years old and still on standard pistons and standard bottom end shells and there is aother 30,000 in the engine yet before I need a rebore to plus 10+oversize and I have all the original sets of BHB pistons and ring to plus 30+ oversize and a new set of sleeve as well, So this old girl will run and run I collect more part has time gose no, its fun to ride and a right hand side gear change to so all my cash will be invested in my Norton Manxman

its all British but the side stand, its home made in yorkshire, Well you may say is Not yorkshire British , NO its Not British yorkshire is Scottish given away by king Edward the first longshanks to the Scottish nobles do your history , And Happy riding what ever you own !!! yours AJD

'The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...'

'...ten times better built than any 961, thats cobbed to- gether with foreign parts...'

er, still confused...

Dear Anna,

What a strange version of English history you present, Edward 1 moved his Chancery and his Exchequer from London to York in 1298. The better to go hammer the Scots. York remained the effective capitol of England until 1304.

Maybe Yorkshire has another version of the facts.

And, when I last checked, Scotland was still part of Great Britain anyway.

I know that this is a Norton based discussion but I am, yet again, amazed at the vitriol and bigotry expressed towards the current Norton company, its owner and its bikes. However although that lot does dismay me the statement about not being able or willing to ride a bike with a left foot gear change in the 21st century is the view of a Luddite. Thankfully, I suppose, Luddites are no longer about in large numbers.

I have bikes in my garage with the gear change on the left, on the right, up for up, down for up and 4 and 5 speed gearboxes. Swapping from one to another is actually quite simple and is not something to be frightened of or to avoid.

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

And, when I last checked, Scotland was still part of Great Britain anyway.

For most of recorded history our Scottish Neighbours were a first class pain in the backside, raiding England and running off with our cattle, women etc.The two countries were only properly joined in 1707 when, as result of Scottish profligacy, they were effectively bankrupt. and needed English money. So not much changes. No offence intended to current Scots, some of my best friends came south from that country.

Previously michael_jobson wrote:

However although that lot does dismay me the statement about not being able or willing to ride a bike with a left foot gear change in the 21st century is the view of a Luddite. Thankfully, I suppose, Luddites are no longer about in large numbers.

I have bikes in my garage with the gear change on the left, on the right, up for up, down for up and 4 and 5 speed gearboxes. Swapping from one to another is actually quite simple and is not something to be frightened of or to avoid.

Nothing to do with the 961 but I do feel that Nortons got it right first time wit the gear change - right hand side and down for up. I'm in the process of sketching out ways of swapping the rear brake over on my Mk3 Commando as despite convincing myself that I can ride both, I still make mistakes, either when I'm not concentrating or in emergencies.

Oddly, I make more mistakes on the left hand change bikes that I started riding on as I seem to have conciously 'un-learned' it when playing around with older Nortons.

I also find that right hand/left foot braking is more intuitive than right hand/right foot braking. But maybe that's just me.

Previously richard_payne wrote:

Previously michael_jobson wrote:

However although that lot does dismay me the statement about not being able or willing to ride a bike with a left foot gear change in the 21st century is the view of a Luddite. Thankfully, I suppose, Luddites are no longer about in large numbers.

I have bikes in my garage with the gear change on the left, on the right, up for up, down for up and 4 and 5 speed gearboxes. Swapping from one to another is actually quite simple and is not something to be frightened of or to avoid.

Nothing to do with the 961 but I do feel that Nortons got it right first time wit the gear change - right hand side and down for up. I'm in the process of sketching out ways of swapping the rear brake over on my Mk3 Commando as despite convincing myself that I can ride both, I still make mistakes, either when I'm not concentrating or in emergencies.

Oddly, I make more mistakes on the left hand change bikes that I started riding on as I seem to have conciously 'un-learned' it when playing around with older Nortons.

I converted my MK3 to left hand brake, if you would like pictures send me your email address, file too large to send here.

cwinsby@hotmail.co.uk

Even such consumately British bikes as Rudges would confuse Anna with, in the case of my 1932 radial, a right foot brake to go with a hand gear change. I find swapping between bikes is unconscious as long as I ride each one regularly. I had better get on - got to slip south over the border and raid some more cattle. The wife put a stop to me bringing any more English women home -she's the first and last.

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...Well I will have to disagree with this satatment !!

I know that this is a Norton based discussion but I am, yet again, amazed at the vitriol and bigotry expressed towards the current Norton company, its owner and its bikes. However although that lot does dismay me the statement about not being able or willing to ride a bike with a left foot gear change in the 21st century is the view of a Luddite. Thankfully, I suppose, Luddites are no longer about in large numbers.

I have bikes in my garage with the gear change on the left, on the right, up for up, down for up and 4 and 5 speed gearboxes. Swapping from one to another is actually quite simple and is not something to be frightened of or to avoid.

you will not beabled too do this with you left foot disabled will you now !

Previously michael_jobson wrote:

However although that lot does dismay me the statement about not being able or willing to ride a bike with a left foot gear change in the 21st century is the view of a Luddite. Thankfully, I suppose, Luddites are no longer about in large numbers.

I have bikes in my garage with the gear change on the left, on the right, up for up, down for up and 4 and 5 speed gearboxes. Swapping from one to another is actually quite simple and is not something to be frightened of or to avoid.

Nothing to do with the 961 but I do feel that Nortons got it right first time wit the gear change - right hand side and down for up. I'm in the process of sketching out ways of swapping the rear brake over on my Mk3 Commando as despite convincing myself that I can ride both, I still make mistakes, either when I'm not concentrating or in emergencies.

Oddly, I make more mistakes on the left hand change bikes that I started riding on as I seem to have conciously 'un-learned' it when playing around with older Nortons.

Well I never like these commados as well its nothing to do with the owns is way the bike were going in the wrong direction ! and then US laws stated al motorcycle had to be left hand gear change, Why !!! Dicatorship yet again !

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

And, when I last checked, Scotland was still part of Great Britain anyway.

For most of recorded history our Scottish Neighbours were a first class pain in the backside, raiding England and running off with our cattle, women etc.The two countries were only properly joined in 1707 when, as result of Scottish profligacy, they were effectively bankrupt. and needed English money. So not much changes. No offence intended to current Scots, some of my best friends came south from that country.

Yes we did And I am one of those family that did its kind thing too the English ! they were getting too fat ! Now I am the pain in your back side ! up the Scots

Even such consumately British bikes as Rudges would confuse Anna with, in the case of my 1932 radial, a right foot brake to go with a hand gear change. I find swapping between bikes is unconscious as long as I ride each one regularly. I had better get on - got to slip south over the border and raid some more cattle. The wife put a stop to me bringing any more English women home -she's the first and last.

Hello its not the only one the BSA solper was has bad, but they all realised there mistakes late on when the war started and you not confuse me I had most of the vintage models incueding the Cowthorp twin port , there not a motorcycle I do not know of my freind has the only York motorcycle in this country , from 1932 , has a Armstrong engine and gearbox , Yours Anna J

Dear Anna,

What a strange version of English history you present, Edward 1 moved his Chancery and his Exchequer from London to York in 1298. The better to go hammer the Scots. York remained the effective capitol of England until 1304.

Maybe Yorkshire has another version of the facts.

yes until wallis amy slartered the lot of them and cut head off Longshankes couisn , that piss him off , long live scotland !!!

'The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...'

'...ten times better built than any 961, thats cobbed to- gether with foreign parts...'

er, still confused...

Sorry But I would Not call this engineering ! more like fitting parts mostly from other countrys I have seen it with my own eyes,

Italy stamped on the Forks and rear shocks Brenbro is Italian too that the brakes all the engines Bearing are made in china , so are the built up cankshafts , nuts and bolts are Metric, Not imperial , the list gose on so NO I cannot agree with you guys no mater what names on the tank, but the respect to guy who have bought them if they like what there riding its all right , this is not about them, and its all dress to look british, well not for me I sooner buy a honda ! and I hate them too ,

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...Well I will have to disagree with this satatment !!

Well, as it was you who made the 'satatment', you're disagreeing with yourself (hence my confusion).

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

'The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...'

'...ten times better built than any 961, thats cobbed to- gether with foreign parts...'

er, still confused...

Sorry But I would Not call this engineering ! more like fitting parts mostly from other countrys I have seen it with my own eyes,

Italy stamped on the Forks and rear shocks Brenbro is Italian too that the brakes all the engines Bearing are made in china , so are the built up cankshafts , nuts and bolts are Metric, Not imperial , the list gose on so NO I cannot agree with you guys no mater what names on the tank, but the respect to guy who have bought them if they like what there riding its all right , this is not about them, and its all dress to look british, well not for me I sooner buy a honda ! and I hate them too ,

Again, you're disagreeing with yourself. These are your own statements, taken from some of your previous postings on the subject.