Sean Kynnersley

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb And well Engineered motorcyle , And worth every penny that you pay for one . Its like buying a Manx Norton and just as special and it will retain its value for a very long time and the value of these machine may even go up is price , the Owners that have got there New 961 Commados Will be very proud in owning one , And If you Have Not thought of buying one yet , then go and Have a Visit to The Norton Factory first and see for your self at first hand , And I know that you will what to own one. There A worth wile investment , The Future Can only get brighter For Norton Motorcycles. .Your Anna J Dixon

Er, I'm rather confused...Well I will have to disagree with this satatment !!

Well, as it was you who made the 'satatment', you're disagreeing with yourself (hence my confusion).

No I am not disagreeing with my self I am disareeing with the engineering ! of the 961 by say I sooner buy a CB1000ex and I all ways hated Hondas because the Norton cannot match a Honda Cb1100Ex The Norton fame all wrong and so it the engine from the 1950s old tech , I may as well fit a set of Bremo brakes and Upside down fokes On my Norton manxman ! and it would be better, So you see is a old tech redressed to look new, ! the Cb 1100 all new tech but old 1970s looks and never did like the old Commando it was lash up engineering that worked well, for a time but you cannot go on build old tech bikes its real time for something in four cylinder or five narrow V cylinder construction for compacness , and a spine frame modern construction and runs on compressed air by timed selonoid injection , a high power mean green machine,with Norton name on it yours anna j

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...

A slight change of heart perhaps?

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...

A slight change of heart perhaps?

Hello Howard well my heart not in it any more with this lot, that owns the Name of Norton ,No disrepected to the 961 owners , for me they should of left things alone, Al Melling was the only guy that had some real good ideas and Design work on the V8 Nemisis desinged by a good engineer , that was the way to go along with the rotary engine , now we need green engineering times have chanded again , now there looking at the Compressed Air convertions for all engines not a bad idea it projuces more power , and NO fuel Needed ! its can olnly get better, .yours anna j

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...

A slight change of heart perhaps?

Hello Howard well my heart not in it any more with this lot, that owns the Name of Norton ,No disrepected to the 961 owners , for me they should of left things alone, Al Melling was the only guy that had some real good ideas and Design work on the V8 Nemisis desinged by a good engineer , that was the way to go along with the rotary engine , now we need green engineering times have chanded again , now there looking at the Compressed Air convertions for all engines not a bad idea it projuces more power , and NO fuel Needed ! its can olnly get better, .yours anna j

May I ask where the compressed air will come from?

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously howard_thompson wrote:

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at October 15. 2011

Hello To all Norton owners The 961 Commando is The Best Built Machine under the name of Norton , and the Engineering is superb...

A slight change of heart perhaps?

Hello Howard well my heart not in it any more with this lot, that owns the Name of Norton ,No disrepected to the 961 owners , for me they should of left things alone, Al Melling was the only guy that had some real good ideas and Design work on the V8 Nemisis desinged by a good engineer , that was the way to go along with the rotary engine , now we need green engineering times have chanded again , now there looking at the Compressed Air convertions for all engines not a bad idea it projuces more power , and NO fuel Needed ! its can olnly get better, .yours anna j

May I ask where the compressed air will come from?

Air tanks and rotary compressor, ! see the down load and read !

The article is an item from the USA where, quite possibly, air for inflating tyres is free but it tends not to be in the UK and, suffice to say, if everybody started using fuel station tyre pumps for running their cars and motorcycles:

a) The stations would charge (no doubt a considerable amount).

b) The government will tax supplies of compressed air!

No energy is free (for long)!

There used to be fireless locomotives for use in gas works and refineries. Small steam locomotives which had a steam tank instead of a boiler. They plugged into a steam supply at 180psi in between shunts. I would be astonished if you could run a converted internal combustion vehicle on air supplied at a forecourt (35psi if you are lucky and half an hour standing holding an air line) as far as the next garage. I note the link provided dated back to 1998. Clearly the idea hasn't taken off in the subsequent 17 years.So it's back to polluting the atmosphere with that nasty petrol stuff.Compared to everything that's burning up our fossil fuel reserves, I think the averageNortonriderneed not feel too guilty. Meanwhile back on topic, I wouldn't half mind a go on a 961. The worry is that I would like it too much and then what would I do?

I am not a fan of the 961, and would not want to own one. However I find Anna's comments over the top, and hypocritical. Only a few years ago, after a factory visit, she had nothing but praise for the new machine, and the management team.

Regarding oil consumption, I would not even guess at the answer. If VW can produce a 2 litre turbo diesel, with recommended oil change at 2 years, or 20,000 miles, surely there must either a design flaw, or sloppy quality control at the Norton factory. Why does one machine lose oil like a leaking bucket, and another none at all?

As for AMC ruining Norton, perhaps eventually, but, if they had not bought the company in the 50's bankruptcy would have followed, and, the beloved Manxman would never have existed!

Im a 961 owner, andI must apologise becauseI actually love the thing, which I understand is pretty unpopular on this forum, which is why i tend not to come on here much.

However, our particular passion and past time, motorcycling, is under such pressure at the moment i cannot understand this bickering? If you dont like the 961, dont buy one and dont come on this section of the forum? I support Norton and everything they are trying to do, just as i support Triumph and any other manufacter that is trying to sell motorcycles at this time. I dont care if its a 961 or a 16H, if its got the right number of wheels, good on you and ride it like you stole it. Before anyone comments, i have old brit iron too, a 1953 Sunbeam, again, which i love to bits. Plus various others, 70s Guzzi and old HDs.

As for a Honda CB11 over a 961? You just dont get it, you're better off on the Honda forum, as you meet the nicest people over there....

This is forum for enthusiasts, ive never seen a forum like the NOC for slating on a subject most of the naysayers have never even bloody sat on.

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously charles_bovington wrote:

If you have a dry sump engine, the only risk from overfilling the oil tank is that you may get oil blown out of the tank breather. If Norton had used a wet sump engine, then overfilling could lead to high levels of aeration of the oil and also high level of consumption until the surplus is lost. As I understand it the 961 has a dry sump engine so the statement that overfilling will cause high oil consumption incorrect

Hello All owners of 961 I am with Charles On this one if there Nicosil Bores then it can only be the piston rings are not made from the right materials or the correct thickness of the ring and not making the right contact beween piston rings and bore , allowing oil to blow by and to be burnt in the combustion chamber , just like if the engine was a worn out engine , For a New Motorcycle engine to do this . it Should Not Happen And The Manufacture Should take the Blame the engines have not been bench tested , if this happen in the car industry you get another new car and appolgys and free oil changes free fuel for two years , But Norton Motorcycles are just ignoring it so it will go away, its Not good enough , even If the the machine got the famous Name of Norton On it or Not, And the none respones Of Norton Motorcycles Is Not doing the Name any favors and if not corrected they lose the Name all together , buy Now any other Manufacture would have sorted this out, and be building a New model, this has not happend yet, are there finances wareing thin , these is clearly to me something wrong with the hole set up and the buck stops with the man at the top, Norton Name is not save in his hands thats clear too me, See below one set of piston with low mileage and you have burnt black deposits on the top of these piston a clear sign of oil burnt in the combustion chamber , So they know all about this and are having some difficulty Sorting it out or lots of head scracting going on !!! Yours Anna J

Regarding Anna Dickson's photo of 961 pistons elsaewhere; Anna I may not have you knowledge of engines, OK the crowns are black but it's difficult to say from the pics if this is due to oil or unburnt fuel? Also the pistons and rings seem to be doing their job, the discolouration down to the top ring is normal on any engine and the thrust surfaces seem nice and clean suggesting the rings are keeping products of combustion inside the combustion chambers.

Thanks Roge

Previously steven_waight wrote:

Im a 961 owner, andI must apologise becauseI actually love the thing, which I understand is pretty unpopular on this forum, which is why i tend not to come on here much.

However, our particular passion and past time, motorcycling, is under such pressure at the moment i cannot understand this bickering? If you dont like the 961, dont buy one and dont come on this section of the forum? I support Norton and everything they are trying to do, just as i support Triumph and any other manufacter that is trying to sell motorcycles at this time. I dont care if its a 961 or a 16H, if its got the right number of wheels, good on you and ride it like you stole it. Before anyone comments, i have old brit iron too, a 1953 Sunbeam, again, which i love to bits. Plus various others, 70s Guzzi and old HDs.

As for a Honda CB11 over a 961? You just dont get it, you're better off on the Honda forum, as you meet the nicest people over there....

This is forum for enthusiasts, ive never seen a forum like the NOC for slating on a subject most of the naysayers have never even bloody sat on.

Steven,

I'm with you.. I own and love my 961 and similar to you I also have an HD Custom and a '61 Bonnie and have owned all types from MV Augustas to custom Vincent's and all sorts in between ..

I joined this for the "Enthusiasts" and a passion for the brand, whatever guise old and new. To have to defend a bike alongside 'fellow' owners within a brand is bizarre? Wholeheartedly agree if you don't like the 961 don't come on the section..

However the grammatical & spelling errors to make me smile

Here's to riding two wheels whatever your budget and whatever you ride

Phil

Is Anna so much better qualified than anyone else on this forum to make these comments on a bike she doesn't own and has never ridden? I wouldtake her seriously if she were a practicing consulting mechanical engineer, but by her own admission she is a security guard.

My son, a Norton owner, had the chance to buy a 961 and bought a BMW instead. Children can be such a disappointment...

come on chaps lighten up its only a motorbike at the end of the day. i can feel the stress gauge going into the red.

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously charles_bovington wrote:

If you have a dry sump engine, the only risk from overfilling the oil tank is that you may get oil blown out of the tank breather. If Norton had used a wet sump engine, then overfilling could lead to high levels of aeration of the oil and also high level of consumption until the surplus is lost. As I understand it the 961 has a dry sump engine so the statement that overfilling will cause high oil consumption incorrect

Hello All owners of 961 I am with Charles On this one if there Nicosil Bores then it can only be the piston rings are not made from the right materials or the correct thickness of the ring and not making the right contact beween piston rings and bore , allowing oil to blow by and to be burnt in the combustion chamber , just like if the engine was a worn out engine , For a New Motorcycle engine to do this . it Should Not Happen And The Manufacture Should take the Blame the engines have not been bench tested , if this happen in the car industry you get another new car and appolgys and free oil changes free fuel for two years , But Norton Motorcycles are just ignoring it so it will go away, its Not good enough , even If the the machine got the famous Name of Norton On it or Not, And the none respones Of Norton Motorcycles Is Not doing the Name any favors and if not corrected they lose the Name all together , buy Now any other Manufacture would have sorted this out, and be building a New model, this has not happend yet, are there finances wareing thin , these is clearly to me something wrong with the hole set up and the buck stops with the man at the top, Norton Name is not save in his hands thats clear too me, See below one set of piston with low mileage and you have burnt black deposits on the top of these piston a clear sign of oil burnt in the combustion chamber , So they know all about this and are having some difficulty Sorting it out or lots of head scracting going on !!! Yours Anna J

Regarding Anna Dickson's photo of 961 pistons elsaewhere; Anna I may not have you knowledge of engines, OK the crowns are black but it's difficult to say from the pics if this is due to oil or unburnt fuel? Also the pistons and rings seem to be doing their job, the discolouration down to the top ring is normal on any engine and the thrust surfaces seem nice and clean suggesting the rings are keeping products of combustion inside the combustion chambers.

Thanks Roge

Hello well I do Not Know who Anna Dickson is, If your refering to me My name is Anna Jeannette Dixon , Mech Bs Eng ! i forgotten more about engine design than any of you in this Club , and the ones put to gether At Norton Motorcycle is something out of the Arch, it like Building Steam Locomotives from new, with a new gloss paint work , its OLD tech so get over your selfs

Were designing things 60 years ahead of now, and there not piston driven ether, and I cannot tell you any thing about its on a Need to know, what I can say is the US military have aircraft now in the air thats not jet power or gas engine powered , there delta shaped craft with no fuselarge

The article is an item from the USA where, quite possibly, air for inflating tyres is free but it tends not to be in the UK and, suffice to say, if everybody started using fuel station tyre pumps for running their cars and motorcycles:

a) The stations would charge (no doubt a considerable amount).

b) The government will tax supplies of compressed air!

No energy is free (for long)!

Mark Mate If you have a engine that is producing its own air and compressing it too a number of small air tanks under what looks like a petrol tank and then using its air to propelle your own motorcycle the Government cannot do anything about it , untill you diside to market your product ! so get over your selfs , Yours Anna J

Is Anna so much better qualified than anyone else on this forum to make these comments on a bike she doesn't own and has never ridden? I wouldtake her seriously if she were a practicing consulting mechanical engineer, but by her own admission she is a security guard.

My son, a Norton owner, had the chance to buy a 961 and bought a BMW instead. Children can be such a disappointment...

Hello In answer to this Yes Now I am In to security But I was not always in Securty , when I was younger like 45 years ago I was a Marine Engineer and past out of Kingston Upon Hull University , But much water has past under the bridge since then, Like from 1988 to 1996 I had some 14 operations and the last of them very near killed me, has they miscalulated the Anasthic and very nearly did not come round, and I was vey ill after hen later in the year I had a total breakdown back in hospital again for over 9 weeks, since then I had to relearn nearly everthing again, so now you know, some of my private life, So life has not been easy for me , living alone, and doing every thing you self, and going to work has well, to just keep a roof over ones head , so I do not need a Mechanical engineer , Has I am one, I know more than the guys trying to put these together

is like rebuilding Vintage motorcycles , I can design and Build a Better engine than the Commando 961, given the right finaces , yours AJD

Bought domiracer No6, got a 2010 961 sport however my alligence is to the first brand of bike I owned like many people and that's Suzuki got a couple of them, ridden Harley's also for 25 years, bikes are bikes are bikes I am never critical of anyone's choice of bike as in my experience bikers allthough from many differant backgrounds tend to be generally pleasant and likeminded I joined this forum for this reason, however if this thin baseless whinging of the the current norton company continues I'm finished with the Norton owners club which would be a shame, the glass is half full norton are in buisness lets all back this wonderful iconic brand in the hope it goes from strength to strength

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously mark_woodward wrote:

The article is an item from the USA where, quite possibly, air for inflating tyres is free but it tends not to be in the UK and, suffice to say, if everybody started using fuel station tyre pumps for running their cars and motorcycles:

a) The stations would charge (no doubt a considerable amount).

b) The government will tax supplies of compressed air!

No energy is free (for long)!

Mark Mate If you have a engine that is producing its own air and compressing it too a number of small air tanks under what looks like a petrol tank and then using its air to propelle your own motorcycle the Government cannot do anything about it , untill you diside to market your product ! so get over your selfs , Yours Anna J

What you suggest is called perpetual motion which requires 100% efficiency to work e.g. no friction, heat losses, drag etc. whatsoever which, as far as I'm aware, is not possible on earth (no doubt Tessla designed such a device - a bright chap but not THAT clever!).

'Mech Bs Eng'

Ah! Now I see. I think this really tells us all we need to know, bearing in mind the generally-accepted meaning of the letters.