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Twin Leading Shoe front brake

Hello All, 
New member here with a 1954 ES2. 

I have an 8" Tls brake plate complete with stiffener but it doesn't sit properly in the 8" bolt up (two-piece) wheel hub from a Dominator that I have. Is there a way to make the two compatible or do I need a single piece 8" hub? 
Many thanks, 
Geoff

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I will make a quick reply to help, as no other comment has been made yet.

Five years ago I fitted a 2LS brake to my 1950 plunger ES2 and I used a full width alloy front hub, with the steel insert for the braking surface. I was left with the firm impression, after reading around, that this is the only hub that will work with the 2LS plate.

If you do find a hub, and get it laced to a rim, my advice is to have the braking surface skimmed in the built wheel. Mine had barely a few thou runout but it made the braking awful. Once skimmed in a milling machine it was perfect.

Hi there Norman, 

Many thanks for posting the information quickly. That's great to know. 
My bolt up hub is a full width hub (assuming my understanding that a full width hub is one that fills the space between the fork sliders), so I presume there's a difference between the two-piece bolt up full-width and single piece full-width hubs, but I'm pretty new to the topic. 
Is your hub a 'standard' ES2 hub or from a later model? 
Thank you for your help. 
 

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The bolt up hub uses a 'dustbin lid' brake plate. This was discontinued in 1957, when we now have the curved brake plate and the full width ally hub with its single leading shoe used right through till 1970 when the twin LS was introduced for the Commando in the same brake drum. The SLS and the TLS will not fit in the bolt up hub. Perhaps you people should read the Dommi Service Notes! There is also an issue with the brake cables, inner/outer change and cable adjusters on the brake plate, the threads change.
Have fun.

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Hello Alan, 
Thank you for the information and the clarity. That's very useful to know. 

I thought it appropriate to politely consult more knowledgeable people than my self with my original enquiry. 
I presume that your derogatory reference to 'you people' is a reference to me and others with less knowledge than the likes of yourself. 

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I'll probably go elsewhere for information in future. 
 

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Geoff...Alan must be having a bad day!  Not a lot of people answered because probably not a lot of people have tried a Commando brake in the earlier hubs.  The Dommie Service Notes have lots of useful stuff and is worth browsing.  My guess is the brake shoe width might have changed...Service Notes will confirm.
If you do change from SLS to TLS on the full width hub, be aware that Commando brake cable is probably too long.  The brake cable anchor thread is different but since cable and brake are changing at the same time that won't concern you.
Last time I changed TLS brake shoes I set up the length of the link rod on the bench so both shoes started to lift with their cams at the same moment.  It tool a while to bed in. Mine tends to snatch hard if it's been left unused for a while.  I have to ride off slowly on straight road and feather the brake until it stops squeaking.  Once bedded in, it's never adjusted again and is a good brake.
Some say you should skim the drum.  I don't like permanently reducing the remaining service life of anything and I would wait and see if you find it a problem.  Norton drums are pretty stiff and not easily pulled out of shape.
Pictures?  And welcome to the Club.
 

Hello David, 
That's great information and very helpful. Thank you. 

I've read about the tls initially grabbing and causing a crash so good to have your practical experience and solution. 

​​​​​I'll post some pics soon. 

All the best :) 

 

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Geoffrey.
               It is good to have you amongst us members of the most knowledgable site for all of the Norton range due to the different characters who impart their wisdom to us less informed than they are.
I am sure that you should not read too much into any perceived slight within the comments as it is so easy to be misunderstood without knowing who it is responding in these forums.
Most of us, if not all are giving free information to help keep our models running as best we can and not in the slightest meaning to demean anyone in the process.
Having said that please keep us updated with any progress you make with your query.
Rgds.

 

 



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