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Hello Everyone

I have a 1955 Dominator 88, and wanted to add a rev counter, so I recently bought a timing cover from a 650 SS which has the little rugby-ball-shaped boss to take the rev counter drive.

I am aware that the case halves and timing cover would be matched, and my originals are all stamped with the same number. However, I was surprised at just how badly the 650SS cover fits. As things stand it is unusable, as it goes on really sideways. The only way to get it to work would be to plug the holes for the locating studs, take xy coordinates from the case for these studs, crankshaft, double pinion shaft, oil pump outlet etc, and then precisely mount the cover up and check all this and re-drill the stud holes. Which seems like an enormous amount of hassle....

Am I just incredibly unlucky with this particular 650SS cover? Does an exchange cover usually fit ok without any bother?

Many people have done this upgrade, and yet I can't find anything on the internet about people lamenting the fact that their rev counter cover is not the straight swap that they had hoped it would be, but in fact a far more complicated job?

Anyone experienced this? Or am I missing something really obvious here?

Many thanks

Stephen

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Generally, this mod is very straightforward and consists of just exchanging one cover for another. Over the years, there were about 6 variations of the Dominator cover, depending on badge type, rev counter gearbox mounting boss and pressure release valve.

The odd one out might possiblybe the early Commando Timing cover which looks like a Dominator type but may have slight locating peg differences.

Other problems that I have encountered are locating pegs set in the threaded holes by mistake, oil pump studs that were too long and a half-timing pinion spindle that was 5mm longer than standard. I have seen a few covers that have overlapped the crankcase face by a slight amount but never enough for the screw holes to not lines up.

Perhaps your cover is a factory reject. When Plumstead first started to build the 650 engine, things did not go to plan and loads of parts had to be junked as substandard.

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Hi Phil

Ok well the number which is cast into my "new" timing cover is 12004, which is the same as my original. Therefore I am I right in thinking that this is indeed a Dominator timing cover, and not an early Commando, as you mention? Would the Commando cover not have a different number?

Also, your point about quality is interesting. On the replacement with rev counter provision, the quality of the casting around the rev counter boss is really dreadful. The whole right hand side of the cover actually looks really dented, like someone has taken a hammer to it. But on close inspection, in fact it is just I see that it has been cast like that, as the "dents" do not pass through to the inside, and there are no points of impact.

Also, there is a really crude line in the metal in a circle around the rev counter boss. It is as if they have taken the original casting pattern, cut out a circle using an axe, and then glued in the new bit with the negative of the rev-counter boss while in the dark, after 8 pints.

So the whole thing is so lumpy and bumpy that it would be very tricky to prepare it so that it could be polished to a decent result, since polishing will obviously emphasise the imperfections. In fact, I think my only option would be take it to a car bodywork guy.

Forgive my lack of experience with these rev counter covers, but is this typical of the condition I should expect?

Thanks for your help

Stephen

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Some non rev-counter covers have been modified with a mounting boss welded onto them, complete with a suitable hole; not necessarily very nicely.

Would the 650SS cover complete with rev-counter boss be the same part number as your non rev-counter 88 item? I don't know, but wouldn't have thought so. You may have bought a modified one which comes under the category of not very well done...?

Did you buy it privately, or from a company? If the latter, and it is no good, I would ask for a refund. If the former, you may have found out why they sold it!

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Back in the early 1960s, there were a number of small companies that offered 'go faster goodies' for Nortons such as modified timing covers and twin carb manifolds to fit standard 88 & 99 engines. Mr Dunstall being such. Perhaps you have a bad example of one of these.

Any chance of some photos to help check out the rogue item?

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Hello again

I will get some photos together asap so that you can all have a look. However, for now, I can confirm that this is definitely not a modified standard timing cover. The boss for the rev counter drive has not been welded or somehow added. This is a one-piece monobloc cover, with the rev-counter boss cast integrally into it.

Thanks everyone for the comments so far.

Stephen

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The 650SS cover is indeed different to the 88 cover.

We also made the same error when trying to fit a plain cover.

+1 for the Smiths electronic instruments - they are nice bits of kit!

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Ok well then please help me get this clear:

I want to fit a timing cover equipped with rev counter drive to my 1955 Dominator 88. I am not interested in an electronic rev counter.

Is my only option to find a 650SS cover and get it to fit my engine? Or did Norton ever make rev counter timing covers specifically for the 88?

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I have attached a pic that lays theinside of an early twin timing cover (I assume this is like yours) and two later timing covers (as found on a late dommie, and an Atlas) side by side

You can see the outside shape is slightly different, and the location pegs are very slightly different too.

You can also see at some point, the oil pressure release valve was moved to the outside.

There were four or five slightly different variants of this cover during the fifties and sixties, so I am afraid it is not a simple case of getting a 650SS cover and fitting it to your bike.

There are also differences on the outside - you have a plain cover with no markings, a logo on a brass plate riveted on, a logo on an enamel emblem etc...

I believe that a Tacho was an option for the 88, and could either be specified as a factory option or a dealer fit option. In the case of the dealer fit option, they drilled the cover to fit the tacho drive themselves.

A factory timing cover with the cast-in boss for a tacho drive does exist, but I don't see them come up that often. You are more likely to find a hens tooth in a pile of rocking horse sh1t i'm afraid.

Hope this helps!

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