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Hi some advice needed, but first the story. Recently a friend of mine asked if I would like to go in on a bike collection with him he had been offered. It turned out to be a complete garage clearance of a deceased estate. The collection was bought in a bit of a hurried affair because as as always two other people were coming later in the day to also make an offer so we needed to shake on it and the deal had to be done there and than. The bikes were in various states of completion and there was a number of V5s. Most used for some kind of competition during the previous owners life. The garage was so rammed that the bike in question was not evident in our rather fast evaluation of what we could see, this is the reason for buying a bike(s) with no documents. The very un secure garage was cleared over six visits each time two vans two trailers. A life's collection indeed. I hasten to add these were mainly BSAs but two Nortons in amongst them, a 88 in road race trim and the bike in question a 750 Commando, also in race trim. In amongst all the spares was a lot of lists and notes that refere to this particular Commando as a Dunstall but how do you tell please?

I have read that a Dunstall could be a full blown rip snorter race race bike to a tank and seat set fitted (which was also found amongst the spares)

My main question and concern is as you have probably already guessed the Commando was one of the bikes with no V5 but neither does it have a vin plate. Does this mean that I can not get an age related plate for it and it will have to remain a race bike. Any advise as to which way to go would be much appreciated.

One more interesting thing, apart from this amazing chance find, is the deceased owner was a avid collector and hoarder of all things relevant to his life and amongst all the boxes of papers was a ammo case with hundreds of old motorcycle race programs going back to the early 60s. The one in particular that I just happened to pick up was one for Darley Moor in August 1991. Blimey! I was a race competitor at Darley then on a 750 Triton I wonder if...... and there he was in the same races as me on his Dunstall Commando!

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What a coincidence (picking up just the programme to link the two of you); the 88 and the Commando both appear to have a hard life ... and a single-carb, sls front brake combo can't have been very competitive.

Someone with more experience than I will have to advise you on the V5/VIN question.

Previously clive_worrall wrote:

One more interesting thing, apart from this amazing chance find, is the deceased owner was a avid collector and hoarder of all things relevant to his life and amongst all the boxes of papers was a ammo case with hundreds of old motorcycle race programs going back to the early 60s. The one in particular that I just happened to pick up was one for Darley Moor in August 1991. Blimey! I was a race competitor at Darley then on a 750 Triton I wonder if...... and there he was in the same races as me on his Dunstall Commando!

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Previously Julian Wells wrote:

What a coincidence (picking up just the programme to link the two of you); the 88 and the Commando both appear to have a hard life ... and a single-carb, sls front brake combo can't have been very competitive.

Someone with more experience than I will have to advise you on the V5/VinYes all 13 of the bikes we bought seem to have a common past regarding v5's and I think they are a bunch of mongrels from what I have found so far. All sorts of bits put together "BUT" saying that they are still interesting in their own way. I dont think he was anymore competitive than me but just a bloke who liked to go racing so built with what he could afford. They are what they are?Regarding getting a V5 for the Commando I think I will have to sell it as a race bike or try to buy something with some sort of docs, import or UK that I can make two bikes into one and have a load of spares to move on afterwards. But is it a Dunstall ???? Are there any records of engine numbers that were Dunstall tuned? or am I clutching at straws?

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If it was me, I wouldn't post anything on open forum and I'd be pretty sure to find a VIN plate in amongst all the boxes of parts. ;) 750 Commandos had VIN numbers that matched the engine number (just so you know what you're looking for) :)

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Previously richard_payne wrote:

If it was me, I wouldn't post anything on open forum and I'd be pretty sure to find a VIN plate in amongst all the boxes of parts. ;) 750 Commandos had VIN numbers that matched the engine number (just so you know what you're looking for) :)

Thanks, nuff said!

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Presumably you have removed the tank and seat? The VIN plate on Commando race bikes was repositioned onto the top frame tube under the seat, in order that it would not interfere with the fitting of the fairing, which clamped around the headstock.

Ian

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Previously ian_cordes wrote:

Presumably you have removed the tank and seat? The VIN plate on Commando race bikes was repositioned onto the top frame tube under the seat, in order that it would not interfere with the fitting of the fairing, which clamped around the headstock.

Ian

Thanks Ian, as it happened the Vin plate turned up in all the spares that came with the bikesWink but I will look anyway just in case it now has twoSmile

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Previously clive_worrall wrote:

Previously ian_cordes wrote:

Presumably you have removed the tank and seat? The VIN plate on Commando race bikes was repositioned onto the top frame tube under the seat, in order that it would not interfere with the fitting of the fairing, which clamped around the headstock.

Ian

Thanks Ian, as it happened the Vin plate turned up in all the spares that came with the bikesWink but I will look anyway just in case it now has twoSmile

That is good news, CliveLaughing

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Just a heads up,

You can purchase blank vin plates from the states on the American version of E-bay.

Bought one for my Commando, as the original was looking tatty, from memory it may have come from Steadfast Cycles?

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Previously clive_worrall wrote:

Just to let you know the vin plate did turn up, and it was in all the bits after all tucked down the side of a box. A little worse for ware but it has the first two numbers and a bit of the third one so I am fairly sure this is the original one.SmileCoolSmile

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