I'm looking for opinions and or advice from the Norton sages.....but I have to be honest and admit this is not a Norton query but thought tyres and rims are pretty universal.
bike in question has a 300 x 19 front tyre on a WM2 rim ....rear has a 350 x 18 on a WM3 although a WM2 would be more normal...but this is the spec...
the following year with NO changes to frame, swing arm etc etc....the rear became a 400 x 18 on the WM3
So simple question...as I have to replace tyres.....is there a real benefit in fitting the 400 rear ?
thanks for reading..
Depends if the tyre is a…
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Availability?
A quick look shows up more choice for 4.00x18 tyres than it does for rear fitment 3.50x18's.
For what its worth, most older bikes upto the mid 1960's usually had the difference in width of a 1/4" front to back, ie front would be a 3.25", rear a 3.5". This gradually increased during the 1970's as low profile tyres became the norm then and later chassis geometry was able to allow vastly different front - rear sizes.
Generally the wider the tyre, the greater load it can carry, so this might also be a factor for you also it may well last longer too.
Me? If it will fit onto your bike without fouling anything , I'd go with the wider one.
Regards,
George
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Peter, George, thank you…
Peter, George, thank you both for reply.
I was fancying the wider tyre...so that’s the to go.
john
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Tyres and rims
John
I have just fitted a 4.00-18 to the rear of my 750cc Commando on a WM3 rim. This is a dedicated rear rather than the universal 110/90-18 it replaces. All Avon Roadriders.
The 4.00-18 has a tread depth of 7.5mm versus the 5.6mm of the universal. It weighs in at 6.8kg versus the 5.1kg of the universal. Width is the same at 116mm for both tyres.
On the front is a partly worn 90/90-19, also a Roadrider, on a WM2 rim.
Having just ridden about 50 miles with the new rear, there is to my mind a loss of nimbleness in the handling. The bike feels too firmly planted on the road. It's slower to chuck into the bends.
Of course my perception may change as I get used to it and the tyre wears.
In fact I had considered replacing the 110/90-18 with a 100/90-18 but Roadriders in these sizes are out of production until January 2016 which pushed me to buy the (available) 4.00-18.
Perhaps your decision should be influenced by your riding preference; chunky and wide for straight line stability, load bearing, longevity versus a slimmer, lighter universal if sharpness of handling matters more.
Robin
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Rear 4.00 - 18 tyre
Robin - as I must replace the rim I too have been contemplating fitting a rear 4.00 x 18 Avon onto a WM3 rim on my Commando for precisely those same considerations:
Greater Load Capacity (I'm 6ft 4" tall and solidly built)
Good tread depth
Ongoing reduced availability of 19" rear tyre sizes compared to 18"
Current non-availability of some Avon tyre sizes while production is moved to France (or is it still?)
So your feedback is invaluable! Anyone else got long-term experience of the 4.00 x 18?
Another possibility is to fit WM3 x19" rims front and rear, both wearing Avon 100/90 x 19" shallower tread depth boots, and in due course move the front tyre to the back when the latter wears out. How that would compare to me currently running a 90/90 x 19 on a WM2 at the front (with a 4.10H19 Roadrunner on a WM2 rear) I know not.
Using a WM2 rear rim for any tyre wider than a 90x90 is too narrow according to Avon's Specifications, and may explain the odd wear patterns that I've previously experienced.
Incidently I ruled out fitting Avon Safety Mileage tyres, but maybe I'm being unfair? Ditto Bridgestones and Dunlop TT100s.
I'm all ears on this topic...
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James....as yet no progress…
James....as yet no progress.
Whilst I can get the 4.00 tyre...and it will be a dedicated rear...I cannot get the front...as I wanted both to be Avon Roadrider....tyres used for may years on my other bikes.
but as Avon have not yet gone back into production I am looking elsewhere. Avon ceased production in UK in 2023....therefore ANY Avon tyre, no matter what model is already 3 years into its life so I not looking at Avon alternatives to Roadrider.
I will look for advice on other makes eg bridgestone
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I would go for a dedicated…
I would go for a dedicated rear tyre on the 18'' rear as it makes sense, just make sure the width is not too wide as the tyre will struggle to get warm. WM3 rim in 19'' is a good choice for those intending to use Roadrider MK2 universal, but again the choice in tyres in 19'' rear are very limited so the 18'' makes sense but I notice that even this size of tyre though plentiful is not as great as it once was.
The Roadrider MK2 will start manufacture on the 26th April 2026 in Turkey (confirmed by Goodyear global sales manager) not France as the French Dunlop production unit we believe no longer belongs to Goodyear as they sold Dunlop to Sumitomo Tyre in January 2025.
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Thanks Ashley.....yes always…
Thanks Ashley.....yes always intended to be a dedicated rear.
sadly given up on Avon
regards John
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BMW R100/7 sizes are 3.25x19…
BMW R100/7 sizes are 3.25x19 front and 4.00x18 rear. Decent range of options and widely available. Should work well on a Commando. My tyres of choice are Metzeler Roadtec 01 X-ply.
(My Commando runs 100/90x18 front and 120/80x18 rear.)
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Wheel rims have certainly…
Wheel rims have certainly got wider. That 1981 BMW has a 2.15 (aka WM3) front with a 3.25 Roadtec measuring 94mm wide. Rear rim is a 2.75 with a 4.00 Roadtec coming in at 115mm wide.
If you are splashing out on new rims then 2.15x18" or 19" front and 2.50x18" rear are good choices for a Commando.
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Depends if the tyre is a dedicated rear tyre or a universal (front or rear fitting) A dedicated rear tyre usually has a greater tread depth and so gets more miles per tyre.