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My 99SS came with a 750 Commando engine installed, and with the original engine as a spare. To which the PO had done horrible things.

My problem is, I rebuilt the head using new valves (from RGM years ago). Now I find that all four tappets are at the very extreme of their adjustment. - screwed in so far towards the valve that I will have to put the locknut under the rocker arm on one!

From the history it seems very unlikely that the pushrods are not original 99SS, and the valve seats are are not unduly pocketed (but that would have helped).

Were different valve lengths available? sadly I didn't measure the new ones before installation, just took them on trust.

 

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Steve - hello. There are many different valve lengths for the Dominator range of bikes.  Just a few ground rules first. Your 99SS would have had the fastest camshaft available at that time and it's usually marked X1 to define the depth of hardness.  It is paired with flat footed cam followers and has the hollow-blown pushrods which are quite a bit wider in the central region than standard Dommie types.  Because of the wider pushrods the cylinder barrel pushrod passages are also wider to give the clearance.   The cylinder head is the big-finned, big-valve type that usually wears the twin carb manifold with the large vertical mounting holes ( 1 and 5/8 inch centres).  All of these things effect the rocker clearances to the valve besides the actual valve length.  Can you confirm any or all of this first for your engine,  please ?  regards, howard

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Me again - If your engine is still as built in the factory,  the inlet valve for the 1961/2 99SS is listed as p/n 17221 and the exhaust valve as T2204.  The dealers are able to look up these numbers and convert them to their current stock lists.  The valve springs are listed as inner p/n 22839 and outer p/n 22838.  The pushrods for the 99SS are the same as those for the 650SS of the same year.   Cheers, Howard

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Shorter pushrods were also fitted to the Commando engine  to go with the longer valves, I have just solved a similar problem with our Atlas that somehow got fitted with a longer Commando valve , after changing for a correct valve one of my spare 99 pushrods  has put the adjuster back to where it should be. I'm hoping that it will be strong enough as the Atlas is not revved up much and is running tired springs too.

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In the search box (top right) type in the following.  

Atlas / Dominator exhaust valve correct length?

That will take you to a similar thread to this one. Read all the postings as some contain useful lists that will help you ID the various valve train related items.

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I have two sets of pushrods. Unthinkingly I picked up the shorter set for the smaller engine. Intuition sound, verification poor. Commando has longer valves!

Head off again.

Thanks all

Steve

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Dear all

Well I replaced the pushrods with the slightly longer ones. And I checked the valve lengths with my trusty 4" to 5" micrometer. 100mm or near enough.

Are there subtle varieties of rocker arm to beware of Commando/Dominator? 

 

 

 

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Only if you are buying new ones ,I think at some stage they widened the spindle supports in the head and narrowed the rockers.

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Robert is quite correct, Steve.  At engine number 114870 the rocker bearing bosses were reduced in width by 1/4 inch to give more aluminium support for the rocker shafts at the outside end of each side of the head.  By the way at engine number 125871 was when the valve stem lengths were lengthened by 0.1 inch and the pushrods were shortened by a similar amount.  Of course any of these changes can be made by owners on earlier versions - so long as consequential changes are made as well, accordingly.   Cheers, Howard

Howard

I found the old exhaust valves and they are indeed longer, at about 102.5mm, about 3mm longer than the installed ones.

The cam bush had turned, so oil starved and the cam was shot. But I recall it was X1. 

The manifold studs are 1 5/8". The old exhaust valve heads are 1.3" dead, The installed ones just slightly larger (and slightly dissimilar tulip shapes from one another). The pushrods are the fat hollow type. 

Now I am wondering if I need the stiff, short free-length springs that it came with.

Good to have bottomed it out.

Thanks for all the help

 

Steve

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Norton used two valve lengths in the life of the Commando, as Steve has found above. The change was to add stellite tip, but instead of reducing the length by the thickness of the tip to be added they seemed to have mis-calculated and cocked it right up. If I remember rightly, the thickness of the tip to be added was 0.036'' so how the hell they ended up over 3mm longer is anyones guess. 

All other parameters remained the same, so it seems really strange to lengthen the valves in the later life of the engine

Evident by the valve gap adjuster running close to the edge of the valve. 

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Valve ComparisonThere is a reasonable possibility that the one on the right was originally fitted at Bracebridge St in mid 1961.

I expect that the tappet adjuster now be in a reasonable position.

The valve head is slightly smaller. and thinner, so possibly 5mm difference or 5 threads pitches.

As the only variable is the distance from the valve seat to the tip of the stem, difficult to account for with all other dimensions the same, pushrod length must explain it.

 


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