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Norton Dominator scramble bikes

Did Nortons ever have scrambling bikes in the 1960s,the reason I ask is that I am trying to trace the history of a 88 Dominator I bought some 3 months ago.I contacted the widow of the guy that rebuilt it sme 30 years ago and she remembers that he bought it in bits and pieces and rebuilt it on a scrsmble frame. it is registered in 1964 and is a slim line frame with an older engine.would the frame number be special if it was a factory scrambles bike or should it have a normal norton frame number and would the frame have been strengthened in any way.The bike is now in standard road use and in VGC, any answers please. Michael P.

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Norton never seems to have been popular for scrambles, not like BSA anyway, I have been racing classic/twinshock scrambles for 4 years and have yet to see a solo Norton. If I get the time I'll try and correct that but prob with 350! If you gget a chance go to the Telford Classic Dirt bike racing show in Feb, the Country's experts will be there and some cracking bikes and auto jumble.

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Norton did build an ISDT twin , and the Nomad was a production bike but not featherbed. There was an Atlas scrambler sold in the US plus of course the P11 etc .

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Back in 1970 I saw a featherbed frame which had been heavily modified for scrambles in Eddie Tasker's shop in Edinburgh. Unmodified the geometry was apparently unsuited to scrambles and there were concerns about its strength under racing conditions. Once modified, it was better but nothing great. To the best of my knowledge,Norton never built a featherbed scrambles frame.

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Previously Dan Field wrote:

Norton never seems to have been popular for scrambles, not like BSA anyway, I have been racing classic/twinshock scrambles for 4 years and have yet to see a solo Norton. If I get the time I'll try and correct that but prob with 350! If you gget a chance go to the Telford Classic Dirt bike racing show in Feb, the Country's experts will be there and some cracking bikes and auto jumble.

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Previously michael_pratley wrote:

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

Norton did build an ISDT twin , and the Nomad was a production bike but not featherbed. There was an Atlas scrambler sold in the US plus of course the P11 etc .

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Previously robert_tuck wrote:

Norton did build an ISDT twin , and the Nomad was a production bike but not featherbed. There was an Atlas scrambler sold in the US plus of course the P11 etc .

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Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

Back in 1970 I saw a featherbed frame which had been heavily modified for scrambles in Eddie Tasker's shop in Edinburgh. Unmodified the geometry was apparently unsuited to scrambles and there were concerns about its strength under racing conditions. Once modified, it was better but nothing great. To the best of my knowledge,Norton never built a featherbed scrambles frame.

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Previously michael_pratley wrote:

Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

Back in 1970 I saw a featherbed frame which had been heavily modified for scrambles in Eddie Tasker's shop in Edinburgh. Unmodified the geometry was apparently unsuited to scrambles and there were concerns about its strength under racing conditions. Once modified, it was better but nothing great. To the best of my knowledge,Norton never built a featherbed scrambles frame.

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Norton were never a big nane in Scrambles/motocross during the post war years. Geoff Duke , before taking up road racing, had success with a single cylinder Norton and was 4th in the 1948 Motocross des Nations. Les Archer had huge success in the 1950's and early 60's, winning the European Motocross championship in 1956, on a special machine built in the family dealership in Aldershot. This used a modified 500 Manx engine in a frame which differed from a featherbed in having curved downtubes ( to allow use of a 21'' front wheel) and a single top tube.An example of this bike can be seen in the National Motorcycle musum. Norton were so impressed by Archer's machine that they decided to help him rather than persue their own program.

I believe that a twin engine was tried at one stage, but rejected.

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Previously charles_bovington wrote:

Norton were never a big nane in Scrambles/motocross during the post war years. Geoff Duke , before taking up road racing, had success with a single cylinder Norton and was 4th in the 1948 Motocross des Nations. Les Archer had huge success in the 1950's and early 60's, winning the European Motocross championship in 1956, on a special machine built in the family dealership in Aldershot. This used a modified 500 Manx engine in a frame which differed from a featherbed in having curved downtubes ( to allow use of a 21'' front wheel) and a single top tube.An example of this bike can be seen in the National Motorcycle musum. Norton were so impressed by Archer's machine that they decided to help him rather than persue their own program.

I believe that a twin engine was tried at one stage, but rejected.

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Charles thank you for your comment,any information is of help.My Dominator 88 was apparently rebuilt from a basket case of bits,The builders widow can remember that it was rebuilt from the early 80s using a scrambler frame and used a 1958 engine. It is now registered as a 1964 B reg and is a nice looking road bike unfortunately the builder himself passed away some 3 years ago so I am trying to glean information from wherever possible. It does not have the normal frame number stamped on the gusset plate but a number is on a very nice brass norton plate(looks dated) oval in shape about 3inches by 1 inch,where this was made or who by I do not know.Regards Michael P .

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Check out the attachment........this is just the first of several pages, from the Peter Roydhouse files, which mention special machines produced by the Norton factory. The NOC Librarian has a copy of all the files.

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Previously Phil Hannam wrote:

Check out the attachment........this is just the first of several pages, from the Peter Roydhouse files, which mention special machines produced by the Norton factory. The NOC Librarian has a copy of all the files.

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A few more notes from the Peter Roydhouse collection. The following are all Norton Works Scrambles machines. Single powered.

Year Model Engine Rider Registration No Notes

1950 E3T 27340 Archer ? (probably none) Scrambles Special

1951 F3T-2 39561 Ogden ? (probably none) Featherbed Frame

1952 ? 37976 Archer LOG 264 Manx/Inter Engine

1952 G11T 44186 ? MOC 228 500 Manx Engine

1952 45077 350 Engine

1952 45078 350 Engine

1952 45079 500 Engine

Around the same time, there were a large number of machines built for ISDT and similar competitions but most (definitely 4 exceptions) using the single downtube frame. By late 1957 the Nomad 500 & 600 bikes were available to everyone except the Brits. The first recorded works bike being 78319 WOF 549 ridden by R Collier with a sidecar attached. Of interestâ?.this model is noted as N15T. Years ahead of the later 750 hybrids also numbered N15.

After the demise of Bracebridge, works teams diappeared until the Commando arrived . However, the factory did continue to provide support for a number of riders in various ways and some dealers also did likewise.

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Michael I have photographed it but have no idea how to post them on .sorry .Regards Michael.On the brass plate is the number TOD 15733.

 


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