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I have a Dommie 88 which was leaving little more than a dessert spoon of oil on the ground under the breather every time I stopped for a significant time. The breather comes straight out of the engine and to atmosphere at the tube end around the back of the chaincase. I have now taken the engine apart and can see no reason for this or indeed how it can be happening as any oil collecting at the cam end should just drain up the cam into the crankcase. Anyone any ideas what may be wrong/happening?

Thanks

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I have piped the breather into a tower on my oil tank and installed a larger exit breather from the tank. With the regular oil changes and the generally hot running air cooled motor condensation is not a problem andthis has been a vast improvement on the orriginal set up.I used 3/8th copper end feed fittings used in gas installations,and plumbers solder.

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I did much the same except that I fitted an oil tank from an Atlas - that comes ready equipped with an oil separator tower and saved the effort of adding breathers to the original oil tank. Lazy, huh?

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Dear Mr Osborne,

I've had similar issues with my Inter and Easy2 but the best solution is simply to fix a duck's bill breather, part no 140167 from Hitchcock's Motorcycles Ltd, Solihull, Tel No 01564 783192 for about £4. They are approx 8" long so will need to be shortened with a stanley knife and then simply attached with a couple of tie-wraps because the bore is slightly bigger than the outside diameter of the Norton breather pipe. The law of unintended consequences works here: because they are so efficient you have occasionally to oil the chain with an oil can.

Regards,

Peter Bolton

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I think what Jon is describing is a normal consequence of wetsumping, particularly if it only occurs after the bike has been unused for a while. As the pressure builds up, the oil in the sump has to go somewhere - usually out of the breather pipe. Personally I wouldn't worry about it. My dommi does the same thing after being laid up for a few weeks, I find the easiest solution is to drain the excess oil from the sump and tip it back in to the tank before starting.

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This occurs with the engine at rest during a stop of 30 mins plus. Wetsumping on my bike occurs over a few months and blue smoke is produced for some time until the crankcase empties. This is not related to that. I guess my concern is that there seems to be a lot of oil collecting at the timed breather/outlet pipe and where is it coming from? If you adopt the solution Robert and Gordon have then is oil trapped in the pipe up to the tank going backwards and forwards with crankcase pressure fluctuations. This inhibits breathing as the slug of oil blocks the piupe but I guess it is working for them.

Robert/Gordon - can you explain what you mean by an 'oil separator tower'. My tank has a tower for the return oil and two pipes into the backface but I cannot see a tower inside the tank co-inciding with either outside pipe?

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Compared to the earlier Dominator oil tank, the later one (650, Atlas with high pressure rocker oil feed) has a large inlet to which the breather pipe (3/8" diameter) is connected and a breather/overflow pipe which is connected to the top of the chainguard. Not quite so good for keeping the chain oiled as the original breather pointing at the gearbox sprocket but much better for keeping the garage floor clean. Gordon.

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On my 1963 slimline the breather from the case runs all the way up to a tower a couple of inches tall on top of the tank, where it enters at (I think) the lower fitting. A pipe from the upper fitting from the tower goes down to fit on top of the front of the chain case. So excess oil from the breather drips down the tower into the oil tank and excess air goes out of the top of the tower (well above oil level) to the chain - with hardly any oil - not enough to lubricate the chain. So there aren't many opportunities for drips.Earlier bikes dripped (allegedly)
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Mine is a DL so it has an extended filler pipeto under the seat. Easy to drill holes for the 3/8th copper pipe for in and out after i sawed off the old small bore breather pipe from the neck. The rear chain now gets little oil but is better off with modern chain spray and a modified (improved!) fully enclosed chain case.I modify everything ,and if its not broke i'll fix it anyway.

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Sorry if this is stating the obvious...but when you had the engine apart did you check out the crankcase breather assembly at end of camshaft ?

Just a thought

regards John

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Previously john_baker2 wrote:

Sorry if this is stating the obvious...but when you had the engine apart did you check out the crankcase breather assembly at end of camshaft ?

Just a thought

regards John

well have got the timed breather spring in the right way, as it goes in between the camshaft and the breather end plate to keep the breather end plate running against the timed breather plate in the cam tunnel end, and this part of the oiling system on all Norton twin is down too splash feed, from oil been flung of the center fly wheel when your engine is running ,and I keep posting the same thing trying to get this into the owns heads that the biggest part of the oil system is down to splash feed or atmospheric from the engine breathing , My 650 Norton manxman as a Breather banjo fitting from the center of stud fitting on the top of the inlet rocker cover, the pipe from this goes the a T fitting to the pipe that oils the chain at the top of the chain guard, the breather from the crankcases goes to too my oil tank via a ball valve fitting in line but really I feel there sound be a small breather tank for its , in stead of breathing in to the oil tank via the tower, I am goning too experiment with this one and see witch works the best, sometimes there no easy answers so you got to think things thorough first, and Were do you get oil pump gears from , as I look at the the supplier and no one sells a set of replacement oil pump gears , some of these oil pumps in use in our Nortons twins are well over 50 year old and this is were most of this wet sumping lies from near worn oil pumps, but the body of the oil pump will be ok its just the gears that do the work, that need replacing, and the oil seal so it one to look in more depth . yours anna j

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Previously john_baker2 wrote:

Sorry if this is stating the obvious...but when you had the engine apart did you check out the crankcase breather assembly at end of camshaft ?

Just a thought

regards John

Hi John,

Just picking this thread up having been away most of last week.

I did pay close attention to this on the stripdown as I was keen to understand what was happening. The assembly and all components at the end of the camshaft look fine and were assembled as Anna J outlines. The disc and its locating pin are in the correct position, similar to that in another crankcase I have and around the correct position you would expect looking at cam lobe positions.The spring appears to be compressed when in position pushing the rotating plate against the stationary one but may not have the correct stiffness. Does anyone have a free length and/or spring stiffness value for this. You may see from the Roadholder article last month that my timed breather did not seem active!

Given the range of layouts described in this thread it looks like breathers are an art,little understood let alone perfected,by Norton

Regards

Jon

 


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