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Submitted by michael_addison on Monday, 8 October, 2012 - 01:00
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In 1964 the 650SS got 12 volt electrics, does any body know whichframe number started the 12 volt run? Or did the change take placerandomly.?

Cheers Mick

Submitted by david_cooper on Tuesday, 9 October, 2012 - 01:00

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Bacon's 'Norton Twins Restoration' lists what appear to be sample numbers and dates. It does not say where these are from - personal observations and owner's claims maybe?

Anyway in September 1964 it lists:

Jubilee 111026

Navigator 106980

500cc 109512

650 110375

Atlas 111377

Since it appears they all follow sequence of construction it all looks a bit uncertain - it looks to be close to somewhere around number 110,000

Submitted by michael_addison on Tuesday, 9 October, 2012 - 01:01

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Previously wrote:

Bacon's 'Norton Twins Restoration' lists what appear to be sample numbers and dates. It does not say where these are from - personal observations and owner's claims maybe?

Anyway in September 1964 it lists:

Jubilee 111026

Navigator 106980

500cc 109512

650 110375

Atlas 111377

Since it appears they all follow sequence of construction it all looks a bit uncertain - it looks to be close to somewhere around number 110,000

Thanks Dave.

Thanks for this Dave. As you say it all looks a bit uncertain. I suppose 110,000 is a good place to start unless any body knows anything more specific. I have Bacons book plus many others on Norton but I can not find the definitive answer. Presumable factory records are the only answer.

Thanks again, Cheers Mick

Submitted by anthony_curzon on Wednesday, 10 October, 2012 - 01:00

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The first batch of Norton Atlas Scramblers, or desert racers that were dispatched in October and November 1963 to the Berliner Corporation, in New York,featured 12 volt electrics.Using a Zenior Diode, and two Lucas MKZ9E batteries. The Atlas Scramblers started from engine and frame numbers 107388. There are also those in the NOC that would argue that these are not real Norton's so they do not count.

Submitted by michael_addison on Thursday, 18 October, 2012 - 01:00

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Previously wrote:

The first batch of Norton Atlas Scramblers, or desert racers that were dispatched in October and November 1963 to the Berliner Corporation, in New York,featured 12 volt electrics.Using a Zenior Diode, and two Lucas MKZ9E batteries. The Atlas Scramblers started from engine and frame numbers 107388. There are also those in the NOC that would argue that these are not real Norton's so they do not count.

Thanks for this Anthony. Whatever some people might say Ithink they are proper Norton's . Nice bikes. Cheers Mick

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Friday, 19 October, 2012 - 01:00

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I rather hope that now we are in the 21st. Century, this antiquated view about the Atlas Hybrids will die out. Just because they had a few AMC bits on them does not worry me and if anyone wants to give me a P11, I will accept it very happily. These machines were just the same in their way as happens today with bulk car production. Major components are bought in from other manufacturers, sometimes even competitors.

How many Nortons out there are similarly tainted such that we should not call them Nortons? Here are some thoughts:-

ClÃ?ment-Ferrand and Peugeot engined early Nortons - dreadful!

Where did the headlamp, wheels, handlebar controls and I think the gearbox come from on my rotary? - Yamaha - terrible!

If you consider Norton's mainstream gearbox for several decades effectively to have been a Sturmey-Archer then you can write off a massive percentage of their production.

I have just committed the cardinal sin that the Webmaster hates, that of steering the thread off topic and onto a totally different path. By the way Tony - any news on the book?

 



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