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I've been playing with a bitsa WD16H for a number of years. This arrived to me completley disassembled, parts missing and most of a spare, knackered, engine.  My objective has been to get a running machine, rather than any form of concurs appearance.  Engine number if 1982, with 79x100 on  cases.  I have fitted new bearings, honed the standard bore etc. Magneto has been rewound and the bike starts esily.

During my attempts to get the bike running well I have purchased a "new" 274 carburettor - configured for a WD 16H.

As mentioned the bike starts easily, but does not rev particularly easily. In its current state it will cruise for most of the time around 45mph at around 1/4 to 1/3 throttle in top on the flat. It runs hot. I'm not familar with SV motors but understand this is normal. Certainly the carburettor gets too hot to touch....

The cylinder head fins have some damage, but all are very thin compared with photograhs I have seen. Certainly rust has taken a toll.

What I am currently struggling with is that opening the throuttle any wider than 1/4 or 1/3 the engine loses all power immediatly, accompanied sometimes by a pop or a bang. Rolling the throttle back the engine resumes running.

I would really appreciate any suggestions on what might be happening.....

 

Carb Setup:  Main Jet 170, Needle Jet 106, Jet Block marked 30T and 45, Throttle Vale No 4, Needle on top notch.

Thanks

 

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Needle should be notch 3 measured from the top. Top notch = low needle = lean = pops and spitting and hot.

I would also look again at ignition timing. You want 7/16" BTDC on full advance. Mine is set to 1/2" so I usually run it just slightly turned back, having marked the "7/16" point with paint. Some books have a smaller (retarded) value, and it becomes a hot slug. Do you mean 276 carb? They aren't really fast compared with modern cars and bikes but they should be quite brisk and they would have left most family cars behind them back in the 30's...not all that many horses according to the books, but quite big ones.

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... should not be too hot to touch when running although the 16H does suffer from heat transferring when stood after a run. It can make it hard to start as the petrol is vaporising and can need flooding to start.

Your symptoms do sound like weakness in the needle / main jet area - more the former. Top notch doesn't sound right as that is the weakest position.

Thanks for the pointer re carb temperature - I did try and remove the card 10 mins after a run - so that might explain the very warm carb.

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My WD16H is a lot quicker...but I'd say that 45 mph is closer to 1/3 to half throttle but given its head, it will fly up past 60 mph on full throttle.

There is some confusing information in the factory records about whether the WD models were fitted with compression plates...the WD parts list suggests that they were, but the factory records indicate that the plate reduced compression to 5.9:1 which seems to have been the standard civilian ratio anyway. Regardless, none of us today fit one...

The pre-war Instruction Manual gives ignition timing as 7/32" BTDC...Edgar Franks' post-war book shows 3/8" (12/32") for the 1932 models and there is no mention of any changes and the wartime Maintenance and Instruction Manual shows 7/16" (14/32")...If your engine has been set according to every Norton Instruction Book from the mid thirties to the mid forties then it is probably horribly retarded, as David suggests.

Some people suggest setting at TDC on full retard. I found that mine pinked on full advance if I did that, but it's not far off. I use the 7/16" figure as that's the first one that I found.

This is a pretentious photo as despite setting up a 20mm stroke dial gauge, I'm still using Rizlas for points separation.

 

Rizla

Side valves do run hot..oil temperature is high, but once they're up to temperature, they don't seem to get any hotter, regardless of conditions.

Is your carb a new Burlen or NOS parts ? Have you removed the jet block and checked that all drillings are clear ?

When Arthur Bourne tested a WD16H for 'Motor-Cycle', he stated that he took a new one up to 65mph...that really should be possible. They can hold their own at legal speeds on single carriageways.

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Thank you for your reply. The carb is a new Burlen model.  I will remove the jet block today and check the drillings - that's a good shout.

I also plan to re-do the ignition timing, just in case. But blocked drillings in the jet block might well explain the behaviour.

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Blocked drilling are more likely to affect starting and small throttle openings where the engine is running off the pilot circuit. Mid range will be needle and upper range will be timing unless the main jet is wrong...which it isn't. Both are much easier to deal with than jet block issues.

 

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Thanks for all the guidance.  I have

1) stripped the jet block, and did find a very small piece of swarf - perhaps 0.2mm dia. Not sure that would have caused the problem, but better without.....

2) raised the needle to the top position

3) purchased a TDC finder and adapter (for 18mm) and re-timed the engine

I went on a test run this evening and can report the bike now sits very happily at 50mph cruise (and over 40 on hills), with probably a bit more available (I need a straighter/flatter road to properly test for that). The engine no longer dies when opening the throttle.

So the bike is far better to ride and I can consider more than a couple of miles being a sensible proposition.  I now have to remove the magdyno as I managed to neck the screw with the contact breaker cover. I also plan to pack out the magdyno platform with a thin washer as no matter how much I tighten the securing bolt I can't maintain the tension on the magneto chain.

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I've ordered a o-1 inch dial test gauge - and plan to build something similar. Makes the job much less hit and miss....not pretentious at all.

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The dial gauge is probably a little exaggerated if you're using fag papers...you'll need one of those fancy electronic devices that Andy Marks sells.

 

https://www.themagnetoguys.co.uk/magneto-static-timing-light

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Hi David,

   Not wishing to teach my grand-mother to suck eggs, but are you aware your magneto will most likely be a tight wire advance ? If the lever friction is not tight enough, these can vibrate back to the retarded position.

 


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