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Hi all,

I am a new member with no bike at the moment, I am looking high and low for a Commando can I beg advise on buying. 750 or 850 old dog or perfect ? e-bay or small ad's, many thanks Steve Kirby ( Essex )

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Alright Steven, in my opinion be wary of immaculate bikes with stainless everything and low annual mileage. For reliability and performance a scruffy example, but mechanically sound - oil tight engine, reliable tickover etc, and which has several thousand miles under its belt since the last rebuild is a better bet. At least you would be confident in the bike arriving at your chosen destination.Some owners happily spend hundreds of pounds on paint and chrome, but think engine work is expensive. I 've never heard of a bike breaking down due to the wrong colour petrol tank. Good luck and beware some of the self proclaiming experts. Personally I avoid Norvillike the plague.

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Hello Steven,

Good luck with your search.

Which model to aim for depends a fair bit on what sort of riding style suits you best.

The 750's are (very generally) morelively and free revving, with the 850's more torquey.Every type of Commando model had its faults, but all of themneed an experienced hand to assemble and set up properly. If that is done, they are the most fantastic machines to ride. The 850âs with an âF1â on the frame plate are supposed to be worth avoiding; so be suspicious if the frame plate has a conveniently aimed gouge in it (check the V5C). Generalizing again, the last of each were the best, with the MkV 750s and Mk111 e-start 850s good choices. Roadster; Interstate or cafÃ? racer shouldnât be so much of a priority, because if you narrow your options Murphyâs Law says the best prospect which shows up will be one of the other ones!

A properly built example of any one of the series would be a top bike.

Go along to your local branch gatherings, pick some brains and seewhat some people do with their various models. With a bit of luck, you may hear of a bike for sale locally. Then you have the opportunity toask one or two from your area, who know what theyâre talking about, togoand view it with you.Inspect the bike, listen to what the owner tells you, then go sit in your van and have a conference.

Stripping and rebuilding a Commandocan cost you far more in parts and machining alone than its market value if you do a good job; so with some of the (âneeds recommissioningâ) wrecks fetching silly prices on eBay, thatâs probably the worst place to buy. Descriptions like: âOKâ âGoodâ and âPerfectâ have the same credibility on eBay as the recorded voice you occasionally hear when you lift your phone, which gleefully starts with: âCongratulations!â

Simon touches on a good point regarding the quality of restoration over the last 20 years or so, with so many of them barely able to move under their own steam since. In go the GPM or JP pistons, off goes the tinware to the powder coaterâs, on goes a shopping trolley full of stainless steel and then itâll probably spend more time on a breakdown truck than the road, unless the owner knows his Commandos. If you are prepared to take on one of these bikes and havenât much experience with them, trying to find a solid, regularly used bike that has been owned by the same person (not one of the vendorâs mates, or their dad) for 5 or 10 years would be a good start. Look through the MOTs to calculate the periods of inactivity, then draw your conclusions why. Then you can keep it in good shape while getting the hang of what demands you make on each other. A couple of years further down the line, youâll have established a network of contacts and your learning curve will resemble a Typhoon in vertical climb, with full reheat; but if it is a well built Commando, youâll love it.

Paul

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HELLO STEVEN, IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A GOOD RESTORED 850 COMMANDO THAT IS WELL SORTED WITH NO FAULTS I WILL SELL YOU MINE THANKS COLIN. 01704 229218 OR 07973846711

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Thanks Gents,

I now have some idea what to look for, this may take some time, many thanks Steve.

Romford Essex

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Hi Steven,

I have read with interest the comments posted by other members,some of which I agree and some I dont, its up to you to filter through the advice and make your own decisions but I will add the following for you to consider;

Ask yourself why you want a commando, which model or year draws your interest, perhaps even which colour, is the asking price within your budget and is it a reasonable distance to travel to buy the machine ?

I was in a similar position some years ago but I knew it had to fit the same profile as the machine I wanted as a 15 year old schoolboy !

It had to be a black 850 mk3 from 1976, preferably built or registered in may / june, it needed to be 3000 pounds max and a reasonable distance from home,as long as it wasnt a hideous pig dog and the price was right, then it was for me,basically my heart ruled my head!

Bottom line is, these machines are all quite an age, a dog will look like a dog even to the untrained eye ( take a mate who is more clued up asa back up) ! The right machine in slightly the wrong condition may still be the right bike for you !

To reiterate steven, get it clear in your mind which model is the one for you, clarify why and follow your heart !

good luck mate !

Paul.

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Hi Steve

John Dunn is theclubs technical man for Commando's. He is a nice guy and obviously very knowledgeable about Commando's. He might know of abike forsale and give you some good advice, he has helped me a lot over the years with my 850es. As you live in Romford he is quite local to you. Contact him on his clubemail address.

Good luck Peter

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Previously wrote:

Hi all,

I am a new member with no bike at the moment, I am looking high and low for a Commando can I beg advise on buying. 750 or 850 old dog or perfect ? e-bay or small ad's, many thanks Steve Kirby ( Essex )

Hi Steven,

I was a bit in the dark when I bought mine but the essential things I looked for were that it started well and the engine pulled strongly,the gears and clutch worked ,the brakes stopped it and all the electrical equipment worked. It came with a well charged battery which managed to hide the fact that the rectifier was kapput. I later discovered the cylinder head sleeve nut thread had gone. I`ve done a fair bit of work since but it`s the best bike I`ve ever had ..and there`s been a few.

Chris

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Steven,

I am absolutely no expert but I have just done the self same thing; be very aware that if you buy a MkIII e/s without a working e/s you will probably be looking at a bill in between £250 and £650 (if you replace the starter motor itself to get rid of the obsolete Prestolite 2 brush affair), to make it work properly.

So budget for that.

I would also advise that you go for a bike with 18" wheels (these are my personal preference, the concours chaps will disagree, but as I intend to ride mine regularly I like the idea of being able to put some decent tyres on it - Metzlers probably - all advised by Norman White); and some sort of modified, or at least properly maintained isolastics (verniers), and head steady.

Watch out for the clutch too!

I was advised to avoid the combat motor unless it has been suitably modified.

Don't be afraid of bikes with Mikuni or other types of carburetor, if the work is done properly - this can be a definite advantage! The majority of the old Amals will be worn out, and they were never consistently good in the first place in my personal experience.

Electronic ignition is also a real advantage - be aware however that Boyer transistorised ignition can cause backfiring that can destroy your sprag clutch. This is due to mis-timing caused by the low voltage due to the starter loading the 12v rail at starting! Old style points or Pazon is apparemty what you need if you want to fix this properly. All part of my current shopping list. Anyone like a Boyer ignition cheap...

Otherwise this is a great practical choice of bike, because as well as being handsome motorcycles, they are great bikes to ride and work on, spares are good and they are a useful practical choice when suitably modified.

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Previously wrote:

Hi all,

I am a new member with no bike at the moment, I am looking high and low for a Commando can I beg advise on buying. 750 or 850 old dog or perfect ? e-bay or small ad's, many thanks Steve Kirby ( Essex )

Hi Steven,

Personally I would avoid the 850 MkIII. It has the extra weight and complication of the electric start. For some reason, maily because the are the last ones built, people seem to ask rather a lot for them. What I suggest you look for is as others have mentioned, not a concours machine, but one that gets steady road use. Electronic ignition definitely recommended. Also look for 850 MkIII Isolastics, they're not hard to fit, but if they're on already it's one less job, and it makes adjustment a doddle. You also, if you decide to go for an early bike, like a 750 Fatsback etc, want a later head steady. There is an article in this months Classic Bike about which Commando, Bonnie etc is best. Mick Hemmings recommends 850 Mk11A Roadster.

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Hello,Peter, Would you kindly explain how the new arrangement for the order of posting is helpful please?Taking, for example the thread: âWhat do I look for when buying ?â This one starts with the original, Posted by steven_kirby at June 06. 2010.Then proceeds with posts in (descending) order:June 08. 2010June 08. 2010June 07. 2010June 11. 2010June 07. 2010June 07. 2010June 09. 2010June 08. 2010and finally Friday (June 18th) 18:40I would understand ascending or descending order; but just mixing them up...?Regards, Paul

 


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