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Proper swingarm setup

As always, I find myself doubting my judgement.

I've bought a Dominator Wideline frame with swingarm last year for my racing project. They both came bare, without bearings, bushes, et cetera. 
Since then, I discovered the swingarm isn't a perfect fit in the frame. It seems it needs some bushes of washers to fill the gap. I'm in doubt if these need to be just metal, bronze or nylon?

I've purchased new rubber bushes and there's a new spacer between them.Getting all these on the axle nearly fills the space in the frame, which means the bushes will protrude from the swingarm. Is this normal?

Also, how tight are these bushes normally? I can't push them in and it seems I really have tho hammer them home with quite some force.

I've been thinking that the swingarm that I've got is perhaps for a Slimline, but I thought these were only smaller at the top rail where the seat is. Of course, I had a good look at parts drawings, but I can't see any bushes or washers on them. So am I missing something or do I have an incorrect swingarm that I just have to make fit?

Thanks in advance for thinking with me.

Tim

 

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The bushes have outer and inner steel sleeves, separated by rubber.  The outer sleeves are pressed into the swing arm.  The inner sleeves project just enough to bear against the inside faces of the frame lugs.  A spacer tube goes between them to give the correct width. When the rod goes through, the nuts at each end are tightened hard against washers against the frame lugs.  This grips the inner bushes hard so they do not turn.  The swing arm movement all takes place within the rubber.  It's advised to put weight on the saddle before tightening the nuts so the rubber is in neutral position when on a smooth road.
There are stories that outer bush sizes were changed.  But if yours will press in, they are probably correct.  Wrong ones will be obviously wrong.
Once in for a few years they are virtually impossible to remove without brutal force.  But they seem to last forever.

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Hi Tim
I had to change my rubber bushes quite a few years ago, but only because I didn't remove them prior to having powder coating done! And it destroyed the rubber. I found the best way to remove and replace them was using a press, it was more controlled to enable the same distance to protrude at each side. I had to fit some spring steel to 'shim' them as they were about 002 thou slack. 
Someone once told me ( it could have been the late great Mick Hemings, but couldn't be positive) than Norton used Land Rover spring hanger bushes fitted to the end of the springs  for the swinging arm bushes! They are  similar, so it could be true.
Good look, it is not such a difficult job, also I think the wide line and slimline are the same width, and when fitted only just fits between the frame flange, in fact you may even have to ' spread' the frame a little bit to help installation, the finished width should be the same width as the top engine plate tube. 

Regards John O

Ps you are correct Tim they do project a little from the swinging arm, but to ensure they are the correct width I assembled them with the spacer, on the swinging arm bolt and checked the total width was near before inserting in to  the swinging arm.

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I agree with all of the above responses. I can only add that when the swing arm is presented to the frame it must be exact as it is a very neat fit. As for spreading the frame good luck with that.

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Thanks all!

David, your explanation was very clear and John and Andrew, thanks for the additions. My spacer is definitely too small, so I'll make a new one on the lathe for a perfect fit. And find someone with a press...

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Remember the spacer is between the inner bushes so it needs flanges to centre it in the tune.  Possible on lathe but not exactly simple.   Andover Norton part 06/7716

 



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