Historic vehicle?

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi

I have a November 1973 registered Commando which i have a dating certificate for. Up until now i have been paying road tax, but from April this year pre 1974 bikes will no longer pay it. My question is, how do i go about getting the free tax? Do i register it as a Historic vehicle now or do i wait until after April? Any help very welcome.

guy..i,ve a 1963 dommie and couldn,t get free tax until i got the logbook changed to say historic vehicle.send off your log book then all will be fine....yours tony

I have the same situation with my Commando so went to my local DVLA office in Norwich while it was still open to find out what I would have to do & was told nothing could be done untill 1st April, then, as there are no local DVLA offices any more, we'll have to send the V5 by post to Swansea to get the taxation class changed, there are no plans for it to happen automatically. The lady I spoke to didn't know if there would be a new application form issued but essentially you have to apply for the tax disc at the same time so need MOT & insurance as well. She thought it would be ok to send it in March so you should get everything back by 1st April but suggested keeping an eye on the DVLA web site for any updated info. I've just looked & can see nothing relating to this at the moment. The other option is to phone their help line.

Regards, Tim

Hi, I know it was a million years ago but when the 25 year historic category came in the free tax just happened automatically. As it was retrospective and I had already taxed my 1970 Commando for the year the sweet dears at the DVLA even sent me a refund for the part of tax that I shouldn't have been charged. So I'm hoping that in April when my '73 Commando becomes eligible that it "just happens" again.

I also have a November 1973 Commando, first registered in August 1974.

I emailed DVLA recently and this was their reply:

Thankyouforyouremailreceivedon10/2/14.

The Chancellor of the Exchequer announced in his 2013 Budget speech an extension to the qualifying criteria for the Historic tax class.

With effect from 1 April 2014 the cut off date for VED exemption for classic vehicles of 1st January 1973 will be extended by one year to 1 January 1974.

Further details on how effected vehicles will be able to apply for a tax disc in the historic tax class from 1st April 2014 will be made available closer to the time. An amended Registration Certificate V5C with the updated tax class will be issued from DVLA following the licensing transaction.

A Refund of any months remaining on paid tax discs can be applied for using application form V14 which is available from www.gov.uk/dvlaforms

I'm not clear from this whether I'll have to pay for road tax and then reclaim it, or whether post offices will be authorized to issue a tax disc FOC. DVLA seem to be leaving it very late to clarify the procedure.

As long as the manufacture date is correct on the V5 you can apply for Historic Status on 1st April and free road tax. If there is no manufacture date and it was first registered after 7th Jan 1974 you need a Dating Certificate and you can send this in with a V5 prior to 1st April but you must only request the manufacture date to be updated, then with the manufacture date correct then on 1st April you can apply for historic status. DVLA will assume any vehicle first registed prior to 7th Jan as a 73 so it should just be a matter of applying for Historic Status. Do not apply for Historic Status prior to 1st April. If your tax is currently running then as soon as you get Historic Status they should refund the portion outstanding.

For more details

http://www.v8register.net/subpages/sorn22.htm

and

http://www.v8register.net/sub/news131101ved.htm

As with all DVLA dealings expect the unexpected

Previously john_holmes wrote:

As long as the manufacture date is correct on the V5 you can apply for Historic Status on 1st April and free road tax. If there is no manufacture date and it was first registered after 7th Jan 1974 you need a Dating Certificate and you can send this in with a V5 prior to 1st April but you must only request the manufacture date to be updated, then with the manufacture date correct then on 1st April you can apply for historic status. DVLA will assume any vehicle first registed prior to 7th Jan as a 73 so it should just be a matter of applying for Historic Status. Do not apply for Historic Status prior to 1st April. If your tax is currently running then as soon as you get Historic Status they should refund the portion outstanding.

For more details

http://www.v8register.net/subpages/sorn22.htm

and

http://www.v8register.net/sub/news131101ved.htm

As with all DVLA dealings expect the unexpected

Thanks for that, it's the best information I've had so far.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, it seems from your second link to the V8 register that I have to send my V5C to DVLA with the dating certificate I recently got from the NOC to have the date of manufacture inserted (there is no date of manufacture currently on my V5C), get it back, then send it to DVLA again in mid March (assuming I've got it back by then, which seems unlikely) to have Historic Vehicle status inserted and a nil road tax disc issued at the same time.

Or wait until mid March and try to have them do both changes at the same time, but run the risk of not getting the V5C and tax disc back for some time. In fact I'm not expecting to be able ride the Commando before about the second week in May so it may not be too disastrous.

Given that we're now in late February, which of these two options would you advise? The second, I would guess?

Except you say that I can't apply for Historic status until 1 April, although it's normally possible to apply for a new tax disc about three weeks in advance? (I've got a tax disc on another bike which runs out on 28 February and I can apply for renewal between 5 February and 28 February).

I'm a bit clearer but still confused as to when I should do what.

If the V8 register have this information I don't understand why DVLA couldn't have told me the same in their reply to my enquiry, instead of giving the impression that they don't yet know themselves how it's going to work.

As with all DVLA dealings expect the unexpected

The DVLA muppets on the end of the phone or email do not know their own organisations policies, hence the confusion. To beat them you have to know more than them and have documentary evidence eg a DLVA documents.

Currently as its mid Feb I would now wait, but whereas you can apply for a tax disc 3 weeks in advance I cannot see anything to say you can apply for a change to vehicle class 3 weeks before it happens hence why I refer to April 1st. If you apply for tax prior to april 1st they will want the fee, which will then be refunded DOH.

How did cavemen exist withoutbureaucrats ?, a bigger questions is how didbureaucrats survive being cavemen, thay hardly would be any good for anything

Hi All

Latest info in attachment from DVLA regarging application process, which I am about to follow.

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi

I have a November 1973 registered Commando which i have a dating certificate for. Up until now i have been paying road tax, but from April this year pre 1974 bikes will no longer pay it. My question is, how do i go about getting the free tax? Do i register it as a Historic vehicle now or do i wait until after April? Any help very welcome.

I took my logbook to the post office today and was given a new tax disc with Historic heading. Log book was sent off by the PO to DVLA for changing TAX rating all done nice and easy isn't it nice when a plan comes together!

My Commando was also manufactured in November 73 and registered in April 74. I obtained a dating certificate from the club (thanks Dave) a couple of weeks ago and sent it to Swansea with the relevant forms, as instructed in Ian's email above, (I had receivedthe same information) at the end of March.

I haven't heard anything yet, but had a look on the DVLA vehicle enquiry page last night. My bike is now listed as manufactured in 1973, with a tax liability in April 2015. Looks like it's gone through and the documents are in the post.

I had asked the DVLA if I could send my existing tax disc in for a refundwith the application. The response wasn't that clear andI wouldn't have had a tax disc available to use in the meantime (or if the application failed for any reason), so didn't in the end. I'll send the old disc back once I have the new free one.

Good luck with your applications.

Cheers, Jeff

I have a September '73 850 MkIIA, first registered April '74.

Dave supplied a dating certificate in very short order (Thanks!), and I amended the V5/5 fo state change of taxation class to 'Historic'.

I filled out a tax disc application, and sent the whole lot to Swansea with the necessary insurance &Mot certificate copies in mid March, and got the new tax disc in the first week of April. The log book arrived this week.

Strictly speaking, any transaction requiring a change to the V5/5 needs to be done via the DVLA, so Mac was fortunate - the Post Office aren't empowered for such things - I know because I asked!

Overall I'm impressed with the quality of service from all involved - I expected it would be a pain with no local DVLA office to go to.

Previously andrew_mortimer wrote:

Strictly speaking, any transaction requiring a change to the V5/5 needs to be done via the DVLA, so Mac was fortunate - the Post Office aren't empowered for such things - I know because I asked!

My Commando was registered in 2010 with an age related plate, declared manufactured 12/73 (as per stamp on headstock plate). Iâd checked with DVLA earlier in the year to find out the current situation with regard to changing itâs taxation class & was told to check back towards the end of March, early April, as nothing could be done until then. I phoned DVLA on 1st April & was told I could fill in the appropriate changes on the V5, fill out a V10 tax application form & take it to the post office with MOT & insurance cert & they would give me the tax disc (FOC) & send the V5 to Swansea on my behalf. I finally got round to doing this on the 7th April. Initially, the lady in the PO said she didnât think she could do it but when I told her the DVLA had told me this is what I should do, she tapped away on her keyboard & found that indeed she could, I didnât even have to fill in the V10 or show any other documents. She gave me the disc & the rest of the V5 back, keeping the appropriate part to send to Swansea. Hopefully I will receive the amended V5 in due coarse.

If your post office say they canât do taxation class changes, ask them to try, you will find they can.

Regards, Tim

Previously tim_gostling wrote:

Previously andrew_mortimer wrote:

Strictly speaking, any transaction requiring a change to the V5/5 needs to be done via the DVLA, so Mac was fortunate - the Post Office aren't empowered for such things - I know because I asked!

My Commando was registered in 2010 with an age related plate, declared manufactured 12/73 (as per stamp on headstock plate). Iâd checked with DVLA earlier in the year to find out the current situation with regard to changing itâs taxation class & was told to check back towards the end of March, early April, as nothing could be done until then. I phoned DVLA on 1st April & was told I could fill in the appropriate changes on the V5, fill out a V10 tax application form & take it to the post office with MOT & insurance cert & they would give me the tax disc (FOC) & send the V5 to Swansea on my behalf. I finally got round to doing this on the 7th April. Initially, the lady in the PO said she didnât think she could do it but when I told her the DVLA had told me this is what I should do, she tapped away on her keyboard & found that indeed she could, I didnât even have to fill in the V10 or show any other documents. She gave me the disc & the rest of the V5 back, keeping the appropriate part to send to Swansea. Hopefully I will receive the amended V5 in due coarse.

If your post office say they canât do taxation class changes, ask them to try, you will find they can.

Regards, Tim

Funny old world!

I was told DVLA only by the postmistress who is a neighbour and friend, as it required a change to the V5C - perhaps there may be a subtlety inasmuch as my V5 stated first registration 04/74, hence the DVLA would have to review the dating evidence before changing?

Incidentally, the new V5 still states date of first registration, which wouldn't pass muster with the Postie.

i.e., the V5 itself was not proof of entitlement in my case - I needed the dating cert, which is DVLA territory.

There's a subtle difference as yours was already declared manufactured in '73 -so possibly we're both right, dependant on the circumstances?

From what I read, most if not all vehicles registered newback then were dated by first registration; not manufacture, Hence all the fuss!

Hi All

My application for Historic Vehicle taxation class has been a success and i now have an appropriate Tax Disc to display, although a disc will not be a requirement for much longer. The new V5 registration document from DVLA now bears the revised Historic Vehicle taxation class but interestingly no endorsement to show Date of Manufacture. Do any of you have such an endorsement on your V5's ?

Hi Ian,

Yes, I have three bikes with age related registrations & they all have their declared year of manufacture stated, it is in section 3 of the V5c, titled special notes. On all three the wording is 'Was registered &/or used. Declared manufactured 19??'

Regards, Tim

Hi Tim

Interesting difference here, Section 3 - Special Notes is blank on my new V5c, however the on line DVLA vehicle enquiry facility correctly shows both date of registration and date of manufacture.

Its no problem and perhaps indicates a different approach from when your registration documents were issued.

regards Ian

Hi Ian,

I received a V5 from DVLA for a Norton Jubilee less than one month ago. It has the precise wording in Section 3 as quoted by Tim. Personally I would query the missing info with DVLA just in case this causes you problems in future.

Patrick.

Yes, one of mine is less than a month old, having just changed the taxation class, & the other two are form when DVLA started to introduce the new red V5c, can't remember when it was, but a few years ago now. As Patrick says, might be worth a phone call,just to be on the safe side.

Regards, Tim

Previously guy_manning wrote:

Hi

I have a November 1973 registered Commando which i have a dating certificate for. Up until now i have been paying road tax, but from April this year pre 1974 bikes will no longer pay it. My question is, how do i go about getting the free tax? Do i register it as a Historic vehicle now or do i wait until after April? Any help very welcome.

Hi

I called DVLA and I was told to write HISTORIC in the (registration document) "log book's" blue section 7 in the box marked "taxation class".Then in section 8 sign your name in the registered keeper"s box,then take the "log book" and mot cert. to the main post office,they send off page 1 to DVLA ,you keep page 2 and the mot cert. Go through the same process every year if you're using the bike on the roads.The new "log book" will be issued and posted to you .

Chris