Has anyone managed to get one registered without paperwork?

If you get a dating cert and it says the bike has both engine and frame numbers as left the factory and was despatched to a UK dealer then you should not need any more paperwork. If gets more complicated if the engine and frame are mixed or if it went overseas.

If the dating cert confirms its matching and went to a UK dealer you are just going to apply for an age related plate for a new registration, no different than when an off road bike is registered for the road many years later so should be straight forward. It will probably be inspected as this is increasing to make sure modern bikes are not being passed off as old bikes but my B44 took all of 30 secs for that inspection, they just looked at the frame and engine numbers.

You will also need an MOT, and Insurance, as well as proof of ID, and a utility bill to prove who you are. You will also need a form 75/5 I think that you will need to fill in. Now the DVLA has closedall their regional centres to save money, you will have to post it all off to Swansea and hope that they will allocate a registration number to your Norton. It can take up to two weeks, and that is what my one took to get one, but they are very good and no where near as bad as some owners have said that they are. Their regional centres were very good and it would only take about 5 to 10 minutes for them to complete all the paper work, you pay the £55 I think and then they would post you the registration number in about 3 days.

Close , the form is a v55/5 !

Not all bikes left the factory with matching frame and engine numbers and that includes early Norton's. Matching numbers helps but it is not the deal breaker!

Won't need an MoT if its pre-1960.

I think you do if you wantto register it and some times they want a picture to confirm it is a complete bike.

You do not need a MOT, or insurance, to get a registration number, before the bike is to be used on the road (it could be registered, and on SORN).

Regarding matching numbers, all Dominators would have these.

Their regional centres were very good and it would only take about 5 to 10 minutes for them to complete all the paper work, you pay the £55 I think and then they would post you the registration number in about 3 days.

That's true but you usually had to wait for 45 minutes behind all the taxi drivers (at least in Brum)!

I used to go to the one in Brighton and there was hardly any waiting time and the staff were very good and it was all done very quickly. It is a very sadly missed resource that we can still use due to the DVLAcuts.

I found the Exeter VRO was by far the best

I imported my Model 88 from New Zealand two years ago. I had original registtration documents from New Zealand. It is an original, matching numbers bike, so everything tallied. The DVLA demanded all original documents, which they promised to return to me on request. In the event, the registration was processed in around 2 weeks, but their idea of 'returning original documents' does not match anyone else's - they sent me a print-out of their scanning of my documents. If any document should be retained for historical reasons, DO NOT LET THE DVLA GET HOLD OF IT.

Paul

I registered a no-docs bike a few of weeks ago. It needed a dating certificate. It was insured but no MoT required or done. Took about 2 weeks to get the V5, all documents were returned safely.

As I recall foreign reg documents are not returned as they are valid documents, dating certs etc are more like supporting docs. Buts itâs been a while since I worked there. With some imports I think we used to stamp them with the uk reg Mark. It prob depends on the country of origin.

However they should have told you that at the time.

Will the DVLA accept certified copies of the originals? That way you might be able to retain all the originals.

Mike

hello after all this advice no one has told you anything about dating the frame whichis whats registered frame date is on the frame knowingwhere to look is the next thing to do, the frame date is stamp marked on the top edge of the top lug for the cylinderhead- steady you may need to remove some paint work to see it is very small stamp marking, like my 1954 dominator model 88 say D/4/54 this means D for Dominator. 4 for April. 54 the year, a model 99 will be 14-xxxxxthe number, model 99 started life in September1955 and ended in October 1962 sadly along with two singlescylinder models the Manx was made in privet hands after this date, do give Dave Cattona call for the right paperwork and dating certificate withoutthese is a no go At DVLA yours Anna J

Anna

With a normal restoration youâd be correct, but in the case of a bike built from various parts of different ages the registration mark is given in respect of the newest part. So if you built an ES2 with a commando gear box you could well get a 1970âs reg Mark.

Dan

That's interesting Dan, because the only time I have ever been asked for a gearbox number is when I applied for historic status for my 76, made in 75 Commando. And that was through the club. All other bikes, except my 99 were dated etc through the VMCC. Gearbox never mentioned inc the 99.

I wonder who is going to date my 57 (Whoops, already done it) Model 50?

I think just about all 99's with the exception of the first year were AMC boxes anyway, so who's to know?

I take your point however, if you declare an AMC box on a 16H for example. In my experience the date of the frame has been all but times, people and rules can change.

I'd be very surprised if anyone at the DVLA would know the difference between an AMC and earlier boxes.

They prob wonât but the person doing the dating letter from the club in respect of a built up bike probably will! Itâs all on the .gov website. Thereâs a difference between a bike with matching numbers and a new gearbox and a bike with a ES2 pre featherbed frame, M50 engine and a matchless box! Ie like mine will be!

I should be OK then, Dan, with a 57 Model 50 frame, a 59 Model 50 engine and an AMC box. (Original since 57) Apart from a chromed but original type headlamp shell, (Thanks Lex) Alternator engine / outer case and a pear drop silencer it will look just the job in original colours. Oh, a 626 carb too. (No filter YET)

Mine wonât be much different! But I need a tank and mudguards, Iâve got a front of sorts, but not a back yet.

Previously Dan Field wrote:

Anna

With a normal restoration youâd be correct, but in the case of a bike built from various parts of different ages the registration mark is given in respect of the newest part. So if you built an ES2 with a commando gear box you could well get a 1970âs reg Mark.

Dan

hello, Dan well I think I have one of these rebuilds just waiting in the wingsit's now in hiding in the Old wooden sorner now unused, but will be draggedout sometime this next year for me to sort out,it has two engines to choose from a 1963 atlas or a 1958 model 99, my favourite is the model 99 which would look the part in two-tonegrey the frame is from an export 650 1963 slimline and all tinware to go with it the only thing missing is the gearbox and clutch so we need an AMC Mk2 sercum 1961 and the Atlas Motor will make a good off road bike 1963 scrambler , so wish me some luck yours anna j

Good Luck, Anna.

Dan, if your required rear mudguard is like my 57 rear, then the nearest you will get to it is a wideline. The club has not held these in stock for years, I ended up bringing back a new old stock repro from New Zealand. (Thank you Marcus) Not seen another since.

I expect India (God help you) is your best bet for a tank. Actually the chrome tank panels on my tank were from an AJS and I had to modify. That reminds me, my front mudguard is from a 56 Dommie so don't look for a V at the front.

The one part the club did supply for this bike was the centre stand but that was totally wrong and had to be re-made. I still need a spring for it. But if necessary I'll just keep it up with a couple of cable ties as the original side stand is spot on. Norvil did supply the correct spring for that one, sadly not for the centre stand and of course the club had none.

Following ten years of grief I had better get it registered or I'll post pictures where certain individuals can practice dart throwing.

Peace on Earth, good will to all men.

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

Good Luck, Anna.

Dan, if your required rear mudguard is like my 57 rear, then the nearest you will get to it is a wideline. The club has not held these in stock for years, I ended up bringing back a new old stock repro from New Zealand. (Thank you Marcus) Not seen another since.

I expect India (God help you) is your best bet for a tank. Actually the chrome tank panels on my tank were from an AJS and I had to modify. That reminds me, my front mudguard is from a 56 Dommie so don't look for a V at the front.

The one part the club did supply for this bike was the centre stand but that was totally wrong and had to be re-made. I still need a spring for it. But if necessary I'll just keep it up with a couple of cable ties as the original side stand is spot on. Norvil did supply the correct spring for that one, sadly not for the centre stand and of course the club had none.

Following ten years of grief I had better get it registered or I'll post pictures where certain individuals can practice dart throwing.

Peace on Earth, good will to all men.

Hello Niel well the 99 Motor will be going in a 650 slimline frame that was a export bike and its come back has a frame and some tin ware the mudguards are with it as is the slimline tank there be NO Indian bit on this build we find the original parts there out there we have fun looking have you all a very good Christmas from me and my cats all 5 of them

yours Anna J

Good luck with the Cats, Anna. I have a big fish called Oscar!

There is a limit to having fun looking for parts, gets to the point where it's not funny any more. I have an ES2 in a 650 frame and that got an age related number.

Actually, I want to see if I can have the registration number from my fathers Morris Oxford on the famous 57 Model 50, since I can't see it used. I just hope they don't demand a fortune. (If they allow it) Both 50's vehicles.

Previously Neil Wyatt wrote:

Good luck with the Cats, Anna. I have a big fish called Oscar!

There is a limit to having fun looking for parts, gets to the point where it's not funny any more. I have an ES2 in a 650 frame and that got an age related number.

Actually, I want to see if I can have the registration number from my fathers Morris Oxford on the famous 57 Model 50, since I can't see it used. I just hope they don't demand a fortune. (If they allow it) Both 50's vehicles.

Hello Neil Good motor the old Morris Oxford I have a Morris Minor Traveller just beggingme to get it welded up and engine and box back in and back up running on the roadand again along with my ford Transit Smiley but there only one of me and the bike to sort as well so I have a lot on, next year I must prioritise I am working on two of them at the same time the 54 domie's electrics and the Morris rear doors and wood workand then when it gets a bit warmer the welding of the rear sping hangers and when thats done a new dual curcit braking system with all copper pipes and a mini master cylinder servoed single curcit brakes are sueiside

on the old morrisanyway have a good one, yours anna j

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously Dan Field wrote:

Anna

With a normal restoration youâd be correct, but in the case of a bike built from various parts of different ages the registration mark is given in respect of the newest part. So if you built an ES2 with a commando gear box you could well get a 1970âs reg Mark.

Dan

hello, Dan well I think I have one of these rebuilds just waiting in the wingsit's now in hiding in the Old wooden sorner now unused, but will be draggedout sometime this next year for me to sort out,it has two engines to choose from a 1963 atlas or a 1958 model 99, my favourite is the model 99 which would look the part in two-tonegrey the frame is from an export 650 1963 slimline and all tinware to go with it the only thing missing is the gearbox and clutch so we need an AMC Mk2 sercum 1961 and the Atlas Motor will make a good off road bike 1963 scrambler , so wish me some luck yours anna j

Yep! Stuff I picked up, slight correction it's a 1962 650SS frame exported to Hamberg from new, but someone has tried to alter the stamping, probably here in Blighty, as the original engine was not with the bits!

Grey! You know I hate dull colours mate, especially since the paint was probably ex-War dept stuff previously used on battleships and the like!

Regarding dating, Norton had a long standing system which progressed logically from restart of civilian production after WW2 to (I think) the end of the slimline bikes. First is a letter code indicating year, followed by a number which indicates the model,and then the actual bike number

Eg my featherbed Dominator K122 59xxx

K = 1955

12 = Dominator 500cc,

2 = featherbed

59xxx= my bike's number in the manufacturing sequence. l

If for argument's sake, you have N 142 75xxx, then it's a 1958 600 Dominator featherbed

You will find frame numbers on the left s/arm support gusset below the fork pivot. On mine, the year and model codes are horizontal, and the bike number vertical below. I don't know if that is typical

Paul

I believe that originally it was possible to move a plate from a bike to a car but not the reverse. No idea whether this is still the case.

Pretty sure it can go either way now. DVLA want the cash!