Crankcase stud/bolt sizes - 650SS

Hi Mick,

here is a site for you! Be sure to print it, as it wont be around much longer. It is for stainless steel, but the sizes are listed:

http://stainlessbits.com/link12a.html

Skip Brolund

Previously michael_addison wrote:

Can somebody more knowledgeable than I help me please.?

I am putting together a 1964 650SS engine which, unfortunately , has no crankcase bolts to which I can refer.

I do not want to buy stainless steel fixings so sent the undermentioned to RGM and to Norvil :-" I am using a Norton Spares List for the 1959 â99â to get the parts list numbers. I presume as the engine crankcases are similar the sizes of the studs etc are the same. Are they?

Part No.Superseded No.Description No. RequiredT2018D12/2(L)Crankcase cylinder barrel stud6T2209D12/2(S)Crankcase cylinder base stud (stepped)218943Crankcase cylinder base stud (front centre)113870Crankcase bolt (short)1E3223Nut for above bolt1T2013Crankcase top stud (rear)1E3224ANut for above stud119077Crankcase top stud (front)1E3229Nut for above stud1E3214Crankcase stud (top)1E3231Nut for above stud1I do not want stainless steel.Please can you let me know the prices, postage etc."RGM say they can not help becausemost of theirs are stainless. Norvil have not replied.My question is : Can somebody tell me the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs and bolts and appropriate nuts so that I may try and get them elsewhere . I tried NookysNuts as suggested to an earlier conversation by Anna but they can only help me if I have the sizes.Thanking you in anticipation.Ride safely.Cheers Mick

Hello Right I will give you the Correct Size Since No one else Want to help you And these Numbers Are From My Norton Manxman Parts Manual For 1961 t2209 stepped 5/16ths cycle thread at one end 3/8 witworth the other end length 1.5/8ths x2 --- 18943 x 7 cylinder base studs 3/8 at both end with cycle thread at one end and witworth at the other end same length and Nooks Nuts Do Nyiloc nuts in cycles thread and half nut too a half nut is not as tall as the standard size. the back studs and front studs are in witworth and cycle tread the front one being a 5/16th and the back one being 3/8 th's the lengths . I have not got this information yet but I will get to know hoping this may help

Anna,

am I no one

Skip

Have you tried Andover Norton? I seem to remember they could supply me with most, if not all of my crankcase fasteners.

Previously eugene_brolund wrote:

Hi Mick,

here is a site for you! Be sure to print it, as it wont be around much longer. It is for stainless steel, but the sizes are listed:

http://stainlessbits.com/link12a.html

Skip Brolund

hello Eugene have I said your NO one yet, !!! The Member is looking for NON stainless steel Studs And Nuts And Not all Stainless Steel Is as Strong As types Of Steel Nuts And Bolts, Nooks Nuts Are Stress tested as there used on BSA and Triumph Machines as well as Norton machines, sorry if you think I was blanking you , I was not!! you do need to read the question first, before giving a answers ,I know you were only trying too help , but you came up with a answer witch this member was not looking for, stainless steel studs and nuts or bolts, yours anna .j

Anna, I think it's you that needs to read the question first, Michaesls original request was

"My question is : Can somebody tell me the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs and bolts and appropriate nuts so that I may try and get them elsewhere."

The link that Skip provided gave pretty much all that information, a very useful resource that I for one have saved for future reference.

Regards, Tim

Previously tim_gostling wrote:

Anna, I think it's you that needs to read the question first, Michaesls original request was

"My question is : Can somebody tell me the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs and bolts and appropriate nuts so that I may try and get them elsewhere."

The link that Skip provided gave pretty much all that information, a very useful resource that I for one have saved for future reference.

Regards, Tim

yes and then he says I Do Not Want to Buy Stainless steel fasteners and what does it say On the top of Skips Thread HTTP// Stainless bits.com All In Stainless Steel. which this member did not want. so you need to read the rest of it, too The Man Is looking for NON stainless steel items

Hi Anna,

He wanted just the sizes of the nuts,bolts, fasteners, not a supplier. The website I posed is from a guy no longer in buisness, but the site still exists, so I saved the info on a file in my computer as a source of refrence. It shows the thread sizes Micked asked for, now he can go to any supplier & ask for the correct diameter, length, and thread pitch. Most vendors dont list the original part numers, just the sizes (although Norvil does both I think).

Skip

For the record, you can buy stainless steel that will far exeede the stress required on our old bikes.Much like buying any hardware, weather its steel, stainless steel, aluminum, or brass, you must know what level of strength, hardness, thread fit class,and other properties your job requires. Most people think all stainless is the same, which is false. I like to use a high grade of stainless hardware (some from Molnar Manx, some I make myself) and will polish it if I want a "chrome" look, or will "blast" it with different media to make it look loke zinc plate, or in the case of my '50 model 7 a satin chrome look. Unless you have a magnet, no one can tell the difference ( except it will never rust). The only issue I have ever had with quality stainless steel hardware is galling, but as long as EITHER a thread locking compound, or a thread lubricant (like Coppa-slip or equiv.) are used, there is no problem.

I like to use 18-8 grade stainless steel hardware, it is a steel alloy with 17-19% Chromium and 8-13% Nickel. On a 1/4" - 5/8" bolt is has minimum yield strength of 40,000 psi & a typical yield strength of 90,000 psi. The tensile strenghts are 100,000-125,000psi !!!!

Did I mention they dont rust

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously tim_gostling wrote:

Anna, I think it's you that needs to read the question first, Michaesls original request was

"My question is : Can somebody tell me the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs and bolts and appropriate nuts so that I may try and get them elsewhere."

The link that Skip provided gave pretty much all that information, a very useful resource that I for one have saved for future reference.

Regards, Tim

yes and then he says I Do Not Want to Buy Stainless steel fasteners and what does it say On the top of Skips Thread HTTP// Stainless bits.com All In Stainless Steel. which this member did not want. so you need to read the rest of it, too The Man Is looking for NON stainless steel items

Anna,

If you read the original post correctly you will see, as skip has pointed out, Micheal was looking for the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs, bolts and appropriate nuts so he could order them from an alternative supplier in non stainless, that is the information contained in Skips link. The fact that the info happened to be on a stainless suppliers site is of no relevance for as far as I know, & I do stand to be corrected if you know better, a given bolt & thread size is the same whether it is a stainless item, a mild steel item, a brass item or, for that matter even if it was made of wood!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG8mNxY_U_I

Skip

Previously tim_gostling wrote:

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously tim_gostling wrote:

Anna, I think it's you that needs to read the question first, Michaesls original request was

"My question is : Can somebody tell me the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs and bolts and appropriate nuts so that I may try and get them elsewhere."

The link that Skip provided gave pretty much all that information, a very useful resource that I for one have saved for future reference.

Regards, Tim

yes and then he says I Do Not Want to Buy Stainless steel fasteners and what does it say On the top of Skips Thread HTTP// Stainless bits.com All In Stainless Steel. which this member did not want. so you need to read the rest of it, too The Man Is looking for NON stainless steel items

Anna,

If you read the original post correctly you will see, as skip has pointed out, Micheal was looking for the lengths, diameters and thread sizes of the studs, bolts and appropriate nuts so he could order them from an alternative supplier in non stainless, that is the information contained in Skips link. The fact that the info happened to be on a stainless suppliers site is of no relevance for as far as I know, & I do stand to be corrected if you know better, a given bolt & thread size is the same whether it is a stainless item, a mild steel item, a brass item or, for that matter even if it was made of wood!!!

well you may laugh at wood but there are woods that are stronger than steel , like Aframosiea The Hardest wood known You cannot knock nails into this wood,they just bend like wire, and the heaviest wood known is Greenheart this is very hard wood to, but the shavings from this wood will not float they sink like a stone, and in the days of ye-oldie they made big screws out of this Aframosiea for printing presses .and wine making presses ,and ships sealings, Now then you may be right hear about the sizes , I must admit I did not read the link left on by Eugene , Hands Up on this one. Yours Anna J

at the end of the day, were all just trying to help a member, it's all good!

Michael

Mick Hemmings will sell you all of the bits in non-stainless (I just bought a complete crankcase-to-barrel set and Angie was very discouraging about the stainless alternative).

Norvil probably do all of it too, they are careful about putting SS on their p/ns to make it clear which is which.See attachment.

You will probably be looking at the thick end of £200 if you want the lot!

Steve

Extract from Norvil parts list

Michael

Mick Hemmings will sell you all of the bits in non-stainless (I just bought a complete crankcase-to-barrel set and Angie was very discouraging about the stainless alternative).

Norvil probably do all of it too, they are careful about putting SS on their p/ns to make it clear which is which.See attachment.

You will probably be looking at the thick end of £200 if you want the lot!

Steve

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Previously steve_marshall wrote:

Extract from Norvil parts list

Michael

Mick Hemmings will sell you all of the bits in non-stainless (I just bought a complete crankcase-to-barrel set and Angie was very discouraging about the stainless alternative).

Norvil probably do all of it too, they are careful about putting SS on their p/ns to make it clear which is which.See attachment.

You will probably be looking at the thick end of £200 if you want the lot!

Steve

Nook's Nut's is a lot cheap than that. I wanted a New Woodruff key for the Rotor On Norvil site £7 add VAT And Posting and Packing service charge. on top. On RGM site £7 then add postage . So I went to my Local Tractor Dealership , they sell just about every thing, And got a Woodruff Key for a grand sum of 38 Pence , And a bit work with a file for a nice fit , so then are we being ripped off . buy the word NORTON!!! I for one think we are. . So you need to shop around for a bargain or have a go at making it your self like I do, I not rich by any means and now have to make the penny's stretch a bit. as I live on my own. and no one to help me. so its a case of having to do things your self . yours anna j