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Wondering what you fellows have found effective to contain the oil in the "Oil Bath" primary?

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It has been done,  there will be a thousand posts on the subject. Avoid  hard setting masticks  as they can be almost impossible to remove.

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I usually use a bit of silicon around the bottom half of the outer case, if you put it all the way around it can be difficult to remove without splitting the sealing band, which generally works.

If you want authenticity, my great-uncle who had Nortons in the '30s, incuding BLV 689, a 1938 M18 which he bought new, told me that he used melted tallow, available in great amounts in the Birkenhead shipyards, pour it in and lean the bike against a wall until it had set,but again, don't overdo it!

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Even the most well set up cases tend to leak a drip or so during or just after use. Mine goes for months without topping up, Its possible that a little oil passes the crank seal and keeps it topped up. Carefull assembly  ,a true case, check no part of the outer case fouls anything, A band without slack, A good smear of Red Rubber silicon grease , and you may join the select band of "little drips". Oh yes,  I did form a  half circle of setting bath silicon on the inner case behind the clutch to direct the oil away from the box shaft area.

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i removed the primary cover last evening; the inner and outer covers look like they could be new; no dents, gouges, bends or warps.  The rubber band seems hardened with age and cut; not one continuous piece.  I have a new rubber band on its way from Paul Norman along with the plastic float.  Am looking forward to what these two parts might improve...!  Upon receipt of the rubber band, i'll look it over and then fit it between the two covers before i make a decision to use any sealer on it.

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Read the manual carefully when fitting the rubber band. Get it the wrong way round and you will have an insoluble leak. 

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I've not had occasion to refit a primary chaincase for many a year now, but I believe that all the bands I bought back then had an irregular section, that is to say a slight but perceptible taper across their width. So you had a "thick" and a "thin" edge- it was this thin edge that should face up against the inner chaincase, and the "thick" edge went against the inside of the outer case.

Hoe that makes sense- but I dont know if bands available today have this same taper, or like many things have been flattened in the name of cheapness.

Mike

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There seem to be at least two band types. Rectangular with a lip on the outer edge and a wedge shaped one I saw on a featherbed ES2.  I've not seen clear descriptions in any of my books. I'm using red rubber grease to try to reduce leaks at present. 

...of the band having an thick and thin side holds true to the band i have. in the case of the band fitted to my bike, the thick side as facing inward, not outward as you have observed.  The thick surface is not smooth as i would expect to see, it is irregular; that thick side appears to have have been cut with a razor.  Whilst this cut, assuming what i am seeing is a cut, was cut by someone it is pretty even, how ever there is enough irregularity such that i would suspect it could explain the oil leaking out of the case.

Unfortunately, my band is cut, the cut area being positioned half way up on the rear end of the case, so at least cut in not at the bottom in the oil bath..

i'm looking forward to examining the band i receive from Paul Norman.

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Looking back at my earlier post and thinking about it, yes of course the "thick" edge has to butt up against the inner chaincase. This makes the taper follow any corresponding taper on the outer chaincase: doing it my way would of course be a recipe for disaster in terms of sealing, as very little of the 2 faces would be in contact, and a significant air gap would remain- with consequent leakage.

In my defence, it was well past cocoa time last night when I posted......and I'm still ****ed off I was too late yesterday to buy an e- ticket for Kempton Park today, there being no tickets for sale at the gate this morning :-(

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I received a replacement rubber band from Paul at RacingNorton.  It is the same thickness on each side, not tapered as prior discussed and it is wider than the band that i am replacing so reinstalling the cover was a bit of a challenge albeit the cover is back on.  I used a stateside product ThreeBond 1211 Liquid Gasket on each side of the rubber which does not harden, almost always will not tear a paper gasket when a cover is removed, allowing the gasket to be reused.

In any event, the cover is back on, oil is in the cavity and after sitting 3 days, no leak yet which pleases me!

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..."couldn't be happier thread," you can read my description of what i don't see as an explanation for this.....  leak.  Where do you think this oil is escaping from...?  i put enough oil in the primary to stop flowing out the threaded plug below the foot rest.  perhaps this is too much...

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The oilbath on my Dommie still leaks despite replacing the band and using various sealants. I've heard that they can be distorted by over tightening. Would anyone know how to check for distortion and more important how to return to the original profile ??

Many thanks  Ian

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HI Ian ,John Hudson did an article on how to straighten out a bent cover.  It will be on the site somewhere.   Steve,  Put the minimum amount of oil in the case ,just enough that the chain edge can pick up some as you kick it over,a torch helps to spot the result. Too much oil  tends to affect the clutch. I use  10/40 cheap stuff which is nice and thin .

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Hi Robert, Thanks for the heads up on the John Hudson article. Here's a link should anyone else need it

https://www.nortonownersclub.org/html/archive/rh/183/29/index.html#zoom=z

 

...the primary case on my bike is sealed, not leaking.  I added oil until it stopped flowing out the threaded plug below the footrest.  I am wondering if that amount is too much and could be blown out the hole in inner cover the drive shaft passes through and then seen atop and down the side of the outer cover...?

good to know oil in the primary case can affect the clutch.  It seemed off kilter to add oil in the primary that houses a dry clutch but this is usual practice with British bikes to lubricate chains.  I do seem to recall being a bit surprised when reading the factory literature saying oil does not affect the clutch...?

 


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