For the first time since I put the motor in the frame I rolled the bike out of the garage to see how well I had fit the seat relative to the tank. I attempted to put it on its new NOC-issued center stand and could not manage it. After several attempts, my back was complaining too much so it got rolled back to its stand in the garage. Lots of head scratching left me with the conclusion that the stand was too long or the bike too short. (Discounting the possibility that I'm too old and feeble). About 2-3/4" under tire.
Have a look and offer advice if you're inclined. Interesting that parts list shows different #s.
I think you need a Rudge!, a gentle pull on the stand lever while still astride the bike and its done.No struggle to get off either. I quite fancy an Inter, straight swop? !!.
Looking at your photosI'd say you have a stand for a swinging arm frame, rigids and plungers have a shorter one. I'd be happy to buy your stand it will fit my 56 ES2 project. I interested call me on01535653413. Hope you find the correct stand.
... like the stand for my 1952 plunger ES2. That's by no means easy to get it on but there's only an inch or so under the back tyre rather than your more than 2".
If you measure between the pivot centre and the base of the foot I can check it against mine.
I do believe however that the Inter frame is lower under the engine so that would perhaps give this effect?
The parts book for your inter shows an arched cross member. Your present one seems to be straight on the picture. Some other differences too. Could be a clue.
It may be a stand for the OHV plunger chassis as it is my understanding that the Cammy chassis is lower by some degree.
I believe that the front part is dropped somewhat to give a lower center of gravity so this would in effect lower the mounting points for the center stand . There is a thread here on the NOC site somewhere comparing the two different plunger chassis.
Only to learn a bit more. Talked briefly with two gentlemen behind a pub on Isle of Man. Both riding plunger Inters. One of them said his had a Manx frame. Pointed out that the angle of the plunger was different. How many different plunger frames does exist? And for which engines?
.....nutshell attached. For the Cammy models, 3 frame variations, Manx, Clubmans, and Standard. ES2 very much different. My stand is about 8-1/8", pivot center to bottom of foot and fits just fine but for length. The Inter frame is quite a bit taller, which would certainly lower the frame even with the larger 21" front wheel. Now have to figure out whether to seek out the correct stand or modify this one. If anyone has a tape measure to apply to their own, much appreciated. And thanks, I found the earlier thread.
...mine arrived from NOC and was too wide for the lugs on the 48 inter frame. Then as you found, too high. Chopped and fitted, now I find it quite wide with the feet sat outside the rear frame. Quite odd, took it off and stuck with the rear prop stand made from an old brake pedal....
.....my frame is late '47 and the stand fit the lugs just fine. I'm sure I've had the stand for several years now and had it installed but not with any heavy bits fitted. I'm trying to get Ken McIntosh to respond to an email as he lists a stand. He's not too good with emails so may have to phone him. To be continued.....
I think that I have what you need, my stand measures approx. 6" from hole centre to bottom of pad, it is an original part. I will take some pics if you are interested?
...swop certainly considered keeping in mind that I'm in California. Is this stand something you're using now? And what is it fitted to?
I looked at Niels Schoen's Manx book where there are very detailed scale drawings and was able to interpolate a stand height of a little over 7". This book has been an immense help to me and it's worth every penny
apologies, restoring old bikes no problem but downloading pictures seems to be beyond my very limited capabilities. If you pm me an email address I will try and send them to you that way
I measured mine last night and noted 7 3/4" between lugs and 8" to base of foot from centre of pivot.
I must say Niels book has brought me a lot of answers with regard to my mix an match machine.
Needless to say Andy, and I hope he goes for it, but if Mike declines the offer and it still stands to me, I would be very interested.
I did have an alloy one off a CS1 rigid, but one leg was shorter than the other, replaced it with steel fabricated job and let the new owner have both... I do stupid things!!!
Best regards both
...and I ordered a stand from him. Everything I have bought from him is A-1, first rate.
Thanks for everyone's help.
. I spotted you are on a 19” rim. Don’t know what the difference in tyre diameter would be but I guess it’s not in your favour. Like to see a pic when you have Ken’s fitted. Is it alloy or steel?
.......is 1-1/4" shorter than the one I have. I'll post when I get it. I wondered about the 19" rear as well but in the end I don't think it makes all that much difference.
Has anyone tried to fit this to an Garden Gate Inter? The part # for the Inter prewar is 3670. Not sure what difference is but basic dimensions seem about right.
Two months late reading this thread, but if you are still looking for answers:
As per Mikael 's observation - the correct centre stand for your '48 Inter is a one piece casting with an arched crosspiece. What you have, looks like an ES2 stand. The Inter one is shorter by at least an inch. I can likely post a photo if you like, but unfortunately I'm in the middle of house renos and I can't get to the parts shelf to provide measurements right now. Incidentaly, I have a '47 Inter - basically identical except for the headlight.
It would be great to post a photo next to a tape measure. In theory, I have one coming from Ken McIntosh in NZ. It was sent 2 months ago and I'm hoping it isn't lost in the mid-Pacific vortex.
... its bound to be mentioned by the time it eventually gets to you....
I got one from Ken a couple of years ago to cure the hernia inducing lifting.
I can report that it made the world of difference on my 1950 Inter. Although I did modify the original pivot bolts so I could fit a lock nut.
Ken's center stand arrived yesterday to my great relief. Nicely cast in bronze it looks like it will fit just fine with a bit of minor fiddling. Slightly narrow on the inside which is probably a good idea to get the best fit. International mail is understandably very slow right now, this taking 2 months from NZ to California. Record is 10 weeks from Netherlands to here. ES2 stand on right.
Looks right ! I should be able to get to my stand in a couple of days. But I think you are sorted out now.
Who is Ken, and how do I get one of these?
The stand on my '51 Inter looks like the photo on the right and challenges every muscle in my body every time I put it on the center stand.
....that you could do it at all! I couldn't but then I'm very close to the age of the bike and more worn out. You need to communicate with Ken McIntosh here:
The stand I got from him needed a bit of fettling on the inside mounting surface but it works great. Now it's just difficult rather than impossible to get on the stand.
I notice you have a 19" wheel on your bike, only half inch lower but I guess it all adds up.
Rim and tyre choice make more difference than you might think. I fitted a modern tyre to one of the Nortons and stood the old Avon SM alongside the new assembly . Very surprised to find a 2" difference in height due to the very deep SM sidewalls. No wonder the speedo readings are out.
Michael; the stand looks great and clearly the right choice. I have one question regarding the weight. Being cast in bronze does the retaining spring control the weight when riding? I believe the originals were aluminium. It certainly is the right solution. I have an ES2 item on my machine for service work but when riding I have to remove as it sits wide on the frame and flaps up and down. I rely on the prop stand, but that only drains the fuel out of the carb....
..and it probably helps that the pivot action is a bit stiff. The mounting tabs on the frame aren't exactly parallel due to the frame's very rough life but I'm happy with it. I used a rubber wrap on the stand as a bump stop and all is well. The bike is finally operational and legal after 8 years of struggle and should be properly sorted soon. Just finishing up the electrics.
Looks really smart Michael, Nice job. Will order same for my old dog.
Very best wishes for 2021