V4

I don't know whether it's just me but, although £7m sounds a lot of money I think much more than that will be needed to fully design, tool-up, develop, market etc. a quite advanced machine such as this V4. Building a prototype is possibly feasible but development for reasonable volume production is a slightly different 'ball game'. I wish them luck though.

The only way Norton will make a profit is to build a machine that will generate volume sales. A 200 h.p. motorcycle has no place on today's roads, where will it be possible to use its potential, apart from on a race track? The appeal will be to wealthy posers , few who will have the skills, or experience, to exploit so much power. A 650 twin is a different matter, providing it uses modern technology, and not an obsolete pushed engine design.

Well there now going in the right direction someone been reading my threds I did say its time of a New models, a 650cc road machine sould a senceble bet if it was a Dohc engine and in something like the slimline frame with the looks of the 650ss wire wheels modern brakes and impecable roadholding to match then we see as time gose on , but they also need to invest in a high tech electric motorcycles too H.D have one out now its selling well and a nice looker too but the best looking retro motocycle on the market today is the CB1100EX at a tad over £10.000 pounds well worth it too Captain sencible motorcycle , even I like this bike and I have never liked honda's before now, so there doing some good, for once , yours anna J

Interestingly, it looks like they are using the same head front and back.

Front head has the cam drive on the left and rear head has the cam drive on the right.

Interestingly, it looks like they are using the same head front and back.

Front head has the cam drive on the left and rear head has the cam drive on the right.

Well I do not know what planet Mr Skinner is on right now he seems to be 20 years too later some how fast race bikes are being hammerd by the police that why you can now get a TL1000 for £1500 quid now and a good bike they are , the 1200 V four ok for racing or the motorways in germany but not the UK 70 mph is the speed limit , and there even more speed cams out now to get you speeding even a 650 sports bike no good a standard machine will do fine retro look too that were the markets going so wake up Mr Skinner racing round the roads of britian has been banned by the police , a 125 or 250 would be a better bet something for the young to get on a ride , and pass there test on a good old fashoned motorcycle looks with modern tech with no oil leaks and do they real know what the Norton riders want No one is asking us are they,

the roads of today are not roads for speeding around on , there is pot holes every where lose roads and speed traps and 20. 30 .40 speed zones nearly every where you ride now, So why a big fast holligan 200Bhp Motorcycle , they need a rethink and get it right this time , but you cannot help giving them ten out of ten for trying , yours Anna J

Here we go again - the resident expert from Pluto, or some other far flung planet . . . . .

So we are asking a new start up, small manufacturing company to compete with Royal Enfield and the might of Asian Tigers to produce cheap bikes for snotty youths?

AJD is not only saying Norton should develop a 650dohc Twin but also a small 125 Lightweight and ALSO an electric bike. This £7m is expected to go a long way!

??? Strange, at 15.13, yesterday, we get a post saying Norton "is going in the right direction". Hooray! A shame that, just over 6 hours later, the same writer has reversed their opinion, an returned to slagging off the management.

At the end of the day they need to make something that is wanted. Whether its sensible or even suitable for our roads is irellivent. That is the nature of business.

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

At the end of the day they need to make something that is wanted. Whether its sensible or even suitable for our roads is irellivent. That is the nature of business.

Unfortunately, a 200 h.p. motorcycle is NOT wanted by enough people to make it commercially viable, however, if reliable, the 650 might stand a chance.

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

At the end of the day they need to make something that is wanted. Whether its sensible or even suitable for our roads is irellivent. That is the nature of business.

Unfortunately, a 200 h.p. motorcycle is NOT wanted by enough people to make it commercially viable, however, if reliable, the 650 might stand a chance.

Well now your on my wave length and a small motorcycle for the learnes may just get some sales , Big fast bike are ok but were are you going to ride them Not no the UK roads or your runing around in third gear from most of the time the gear box will not see 6th gear this like the big flat six Honda you never see sixth gear and runing around no more than 3000 rpm tops so there on point in having one, but the V4 1200 may do well in the USA or Austriala where there are long open roads with nothing much on them then you off like a missle at 200 mph with your head down and arse up

and you can scare your self too death , big boys toys yours anna j

AJD is not only saying Norton should develop a 650dohc Twin but also a small 125 Lightweight and ALSO an electric bike. This £7m is expected to go a long way!

WELL Mark the Electric bikes is were motorcycling is going Harley Davidson have one out now there switch on the the future of motorcycling whare Norton is some 20 years behind and have to play Chatch up fast, so its time to wake up people ! have fun

My prediction is that the new Norton V4 will appear as a full power bike for the TT, with a de-tuned version for the road.

As for predicting which way this thread will go, your guess is as good as mine . . . . . . .

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously mark_woodward wrote:

AJD is not only saying Norton should develop a 650dohc Twin but also a small 125 Lightweight and ALSO an electric bike. This £7m is expected to go a long way!

WELL Mark the Electric bikes is were motorcycling is going Harley Davidson have one out now there switch on the the future of motorcycling whare Norton is some 20 years behind and have to play Chatch up fast, so its time to wake up people ! have fun

I seem to recall reading that the H-D electric bike has been built as a purely 'concept' exercise. There are a number of electric bikes (mostly American) in low-volume production that are very expensive and currently with a range of circa 50-100 miles between charges. I don't think super-capacitors, air power or any Tesla-based techniques are being considered at present!.

On the subject of what I would personally like to see is a fairly small (500 - 700cc) three cylinder bike in a small lightweight chassis. I would think 70-100bhp would be achievable and would give ample performance.

Previously roger_hainsworth wrote:

My prediction is that the new Norton V4 will appear as a full power bike for the TT, with a de-tuned version for the road.

It would have to be 1000cc to qualify for the TT, which would involve developing 2 distinct versions of the engine, given the anouncement that it will be 1200cc. That would be a risky policy anyway, as it would have to perform extremely well in the TT. If it didn't, given they don't have the R&D resources of the main players, who would buy it, especially at 30-40K? Benelli tried that with the Tornado Tre Limited Edition, having built 150 to homologate for WSBK racing back in 2002. They were unsuccessful in the racing, and they still haven't sold all the 150 to this day, the remaining ones being priced at around £10k when they were originally priced at £24k. It is a beautiful bike......

Previously mark_woodward wrote:

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously mark_woodward wrote:

AJD is not only saying Norton should develop a 650dohc Twin but also a small 125 Lightweight and ALSO an electric bike. This £7m is expected to go a long way!

WELL Mark the Electric bikes is were motorcycling is going Harley Davidson have one out now there switch on the the future of motorcycling whare Norton is some 20 years behind and have to play Chatch up fast, so its time to wake up people ! have fun

I seem to recall reading that the H-D electric bike has been built as a purely 'concept' exercise. There are a number of electric bikes (mostly American) in low-volume production that are very expensive and currently with a range of circa 50-100 miles between charges. I don't think super-capacitors, air power or any Tesla-based techniques are being considered at present!.

On the subject of what I would personally like to see is a fairly small (500 - 700cc) three cylinder bike in a small lightweight chassis. I would think 70-100bhp would be achievable and would give ample performance.

Tri*mph already make it, Mark!

As for the HD electric bike, it IS an impressive piece of kit... just depends on what you want a motorcycle for, no?

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously mark_woodward wrote:

AJD is not only saying Norton should develop a 650dohc Twin but also a small 125 Lightweight and ALSO an electric bike. This £7m is expected to go a long way!

WELL Mark the Electric bikes is were motorcycling is going Harley Davidson have one out now there switch on the the future of motorcycling whare Norton is some 20 years behind and have to play Chatch up fast, so its time to wake up people ! have fun

I seem to recall reading that the H-D electric bike has been built as a purely 'concept' exercise. There are a number of electric bikes (mostly American) in low-volume production that are very expensive and currently with a range of circa 50-100 miles between charges. I don't think super-capacitors, air power or any Tesla-based techniques are being considered at present!.

On the subject of what I would personally like to see is a fairly small (500 - 700cc) three cylinder bike in a small lightweight chassis. I would think 70-100bhp would be achievable and would give ample performance.

Thats funny burt hopwood did design a number of three cylinder engines and a twin with a pumping chamber in its sump area , this acts has a balacer has well , but a1300 V4 and a 650 twin could share common top end parts a1300 V4 engine like a moto Guzzi configeration shaft drive would make a nice long distance touring motorcycles and it would have too be liquid cooled too, Has for a race bikes a V6 1200cc would be even better has you would have 200cc per-cylinder, and it would be in the same space has a three cylinder engine configeration a V4 1200cc would be a odd size 300cc per cylinder were has a 250cc times 4 would be 1000cc or a 650cc witch is 325cc per cylinder times 4 is 1300cc a V6 is better has its more balanced engine and would have better accleration and better staying power on top revs but need to be low down in the frame like the featherbed so to get better roadholding on the IOM tt or they could go down the 150cc per cylinder x V6 = a 900cc road burner spine frame low centre of gravity better handling faster in to bends I could work out the maths if you like But they need good bench testing equipment so you can bench test engines and get the diagnostics right , yes even I love too see Norton have lot of wins on the IOM tt and Superbike too but its all down too testing and listening to good ideas no matter how odd they may be yours anna j

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously John Shorter wrote:

Previously robert_tuck wrote:

At the end of the day they need to make something that is wanted. Whether its sensible or even suitable for our roads is irellivent. That is the nature of business.

Unfortunately, a 200 h.p. motorcycle is NOT wanted by enough people to make it commercially viable, however, if reliable, the 650 might stand a chance.

Well now your on my wave length and a small motorcycle for the learnes may just get some sales , Big fast bike are ok but were are you going to ride them Not no the UK roads or your runing around in third gear from most of the time the gear box will not see 6th gear this like the big flat six Honda you never see sixth gear and runing around no more than 3000 rpm tops so there on point in having one, but the V4 1200 may do well in the USA or Austriala where there are long open roads with nothing much on them then you off like a missle at 200 mph with your head down and arse up

and you can scare your self too death , big boys toys yours anna j

You mean a bike like my zx12 Anna, those Roos make one hell of a mess at 200mph though !!!!!!

Terry

Firstly a hello from me as a new member and my first post.

I have a 750 Commando Roadster that I'm fettling at the moment. Thoroughly enjoying working on the bike and using my old BSF/Whitworth and AF spanners after several years using those oh-so-simple metric tools!

Not my first Norton - I once owned a not so gay Jubilee (see Norton advert of the day).

It's good to see Norton investing in developing new bikes. I think the Government money is mostly for apprenticeships and creating jobs in the manufacturing industry which has to be a good thing.

Developing a 650 twin is also a good move and it looks like we might see one running in the Lightweight/Supertwin category currently dominated by Kawasaki.

Andy

Firstly a hello from me as a new member and my first post.

I have a 750 Commando Roadster that I'm fettling at the moment. Thoroughly enjoying working on the bike and using my old BSF/Whitworth and AF spanners after several years using those oh-so-simple metric tools!

Not my first Norton - I once owned a not so gay Jubilee (see Norton advert of the day).

It's good to see Norton investing in developing new bikes. I think the Government money is mostly for apprenticeships and creating jobs in the manufacturing industry which has to be a good thing.

Developing a 650 twin is also a good move and it looks like we might see one running in the Lightweight/Supertwin category currently dominated by Kawasaki.

Andy

Well they could realy do with a light weight catagory to get the younger generation intrested in Norton Motorcycles has well real need young blood into he club has where all getting old, yours anna j

Firstly a hello from me as a new member and my first post.

I have a 750 Commando Roadster that I'm fettling at the moment. Thoroughly enjoying working on the bike and using my old BSF/Whitworth and AF spanners after several years using those oh-so-simple metric tools!

Not my first Norton - I once owned a not so gay Jubilee (see Norton advert of the day).

It's good to see Norton investing in developing new bikes. I think the Government money is mostly for apprenticeships and creating jobs in the manufacturing industry which has to be a good thing.

Developing a 650 twin is also a good move and it looks like we might see one running in the Lightweight/Supertwin category currently dominated by Kawasaki.

Andy

Well Ido like imperial thread sizes and using its tooling but then we where brought up on imperial mesuerment , that why is all so easy to us, yours anna j

The only way Norton will make a profit is to build a machine that will generate volume sales. A 200 h.p. motorcycle has no place on today's roads, where will it be possible to use its potential, apart from on a race track? The appeal will be to wealthy posers , few who will have the skills, or experience, to exploit so much power. A 650 twin is a different matter, providing it uses modern technology, and not an obsolete pushed engine design.

Hello John well they still may build a bike I can go a kill my self on !! it will be a proud day to die on a Norton and go down in flames ,

Previously barry_carson wrote:

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously stuart_munroe wrote:

So we are asking a new start up, small manufacturing company to compete with Royal Enfield and the might of Asian Tigers to produce cheap bikes for snotty youths?

anna the youth of today are trying to make nortons but you dont seem to like nortons i dont know why you have one

well these are only Norton by a lot of Money payed for the trade mark of Norton , These have no bearing or relationship to Bracebridge street built Norton's That I own, please note the word Bracebridge Street the ledgionary home Of the real Norton Mark , And thats why I own a Norton , And both of my Norton's where build at Bracebridge street , and Not At Plumbstead or Andover or anywhere else, Bracebridge street only, dose this make things clear to you now, yours Anna J Dixon