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Hello people, this may seem an odd post. I am looking to buy, restore and use a British classic bike. Im a 60s child so i grew up on Japanese multis. Im now 49 and have now grown out of rice burners. I have a small collection of bikes, a 95 Harley Road King, a 75 Guzzi cafe racer and a 961 Commando i bought last year, all of which i love.

However, I wish to take a leap into the unknown and buy something a lot older. I dont know much about them but my dad, who is 84, rode a Norton 16H when he was young and I would like some advice on buying a Norton 16H? Theres no reason for choosing this bike other than i like the look of it and i feel that i should do my part in keeping classic bikes on the road.

There are several for sale in the usual places but i have no idea what Im looking at on a bike this old, or even if parts are still available? Im no idiot with a spanner but Im not a mechanic either. I wouldnt know a pearl from a pup so any advice would be greatly appreciated. The ones i looked at all appear to be around the £5000 mark, which is fine, unless they will then need another £5000 spent on it?

Any help woul;d be much appreciated.....

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Such an open ended question! I'd suggest you do some personal research... there are lots of Norton books out there. Sites like this have lots of detail descriptions, and there's a web site entirely devoted to British Army WW2 16H's. wdnorton....Do you want 'originality' (whatever that really means after 75 years of so? If so you'll have to do lots of reading because most of the 'for sale' descriptions I have seen have fairly obvious mistakes - but only 'obvious' if you know what to look for. And it only matters a) if you care or b) if they are trying to charge for something that is not true.But again - that doesn't mean it's a bad bike...Engine spares aren't too hard to get since so many WD Nortons were made. But tinware, girder forks, etc are not so easy to find.There's not as much to go wrong as on a later twin. And they are easier to work on - things are more accessible. And the entire bike is a good deal smaller than (say) a Dominator.I've had mine for two years and done nearly 1000 miles (I'm amazed to work out) and it looks great, it's fun to ride, turns heads, etc. Not very quick (50 to 60 mph), although like other Norton singles it feels unburstable.Be prepared to maybe have to refurbish the magneto if it won't start when hot. But they are pretty simple and reliable. I admit it's not very comfortable if you are 6ft tall.I hope others will give opinions. There are a few 16H lovers hereabouts, many of whom have far more knowledge and experience than I do.
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Any help woul;d be much appreciated.....

Why don't you buy a 16H in really good condition? Then you will be able to ride it (if that's important) and spare parts won't be an issue for long while.

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Thanks guys, originality and being in mint conditionis not a big issue, as Im not into that style of bike. Id like to buy a useable classic and use it as much as i can. I would buy a really nice one, but as i said, I could still be buying a shiny pup! I dont know what to look for? Ive just gone over the WDNorton site and it gives many helpful hints, thanks. Although Im not fussed if it a genuine WW2 bike nor not, unless it is overpriced and incorrectly advertised as such.

Ive seen working examples on ebay and car and classic for £3-5000. then supposedly mint ones for £7000. are these prices in the ball park?

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All the post-'32 girder rigid Nortons have the same low seat height; They're fine with my 32" inside leg, but probably not all-day comfortable if you're much taller.

A good 16H should be surprisingly smooth and feel fairly 'quick'.

As David says, engine parts are generally available. There isn't much to go wrong in the engine but if you need things like cams, then it's best if you enjoy autojumbling. They are out there though.

Any magneto that doesn't come with proof of a recent overhaul ought to be treated with suspicion.

The biggest problem with the 16H is just that there have been so many of them run into the ground over the years and many of those which come up for sale have been bodged together from autojumble leftovers. They will start and run but not much more. Add in the bikes re-imported from the Far and Middle East and I'd say a good number are not viable at any price.

I haven't seen any on eBay recently that I'd want...your best option is not to rush things and look around for one which an older owner has used a lot and decided to move on. Dealers in classics sadly don't seem to offer much in the way of warranties.

Do make sure that you choose one with clearly stamped and unaltered numbers. 16Hs have often been used as 'mules' by the number plate dealers.

I'd say that you have got to pay at least £5000 for a decent runner but £7000 sounds excesive for a WD bike. perhaps not for an earlier 1930s civilian model with a known history.

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Previously richard_payne wrote:

All the post-'32 girder rigid Nortons have the same low seat height; They're fine with my 32" inside leg, but probably not all-day comfortable if you're much taller.

A good 16H should be surprisingly smooth and feel fairly 'quick'.

As David says, engine parts are generally available. There isn't much to go wrong in the engine but if you need things like cams, then it's best if you enjoy autojumbling. They are out there though.

Any magneto that doesn't come with proof of a recent overhaul ought to be treated with suspicion.

The biggest problem with the 16H is just that there have been so many of them run into the ground over the years and many of those which come up for sale have been bodged together from autojumble leftovers. They will start and run but not much more. Add in the bikes re-imported from the Far and Middle East and I'd say a good number are not viable at any price.

I haven't seen any on eBay recently that I'd want...your best option is not to rush things and look around for one which an older owner has used a lot and decided to move on. Dealers in classics sadly don't seem to offer much in the way of warranties.

Do make sure that you choose one with clearly stamped and unaltered numbers. 16Hs have often been used as 'mules' by the number plate dealers.

I'd say that you have got to pay at least £5000 for a decent runner but £7000 sounds excesive for a WD bike. perhaps not for an earlier 1930s civilian model with a known history.

Richard, this is more of the info i was after. What particular items would show on a first inspection? I understand the engines are pretty strong, are there any obvious things i need to check?

There is a company in Kent andon line called 'the War Department', which sells mainly WD Harleys but they have several British bikes, one of which is a 16H, does anyone have any experience of this dealer?

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Hi Steven.

I have just had a look at 'the War Department' website and the 16H advertised. The only description is that it isin running condition! The engine might run but the fact there is no front brake cable or rear brake pedal means to methat it would need a lot of work to make it roadworthy. There are many other parts missing as well.

What part of the country are you in? Perhaps you should go along to a localNOC branch and see if any knowledgeable member could give you advice and possibly go along with you toview any16H you might think of buying.

I live in the north west if that helps and have owned my 16H for quite a while. They are good fun around town and A roads or smaller.

Nick

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Nick, many thanks, I live in Cambridge so i was planning on making a trip to my local branch. Im in no hurry to buy one and ill be sure to get as much good advice as i can....!

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Have you looked at Andy Tiernan's? The Editor of a bike mag told me he was reputable; each bike is road tested and you can download reports. No experience myself just relaying some information.

I have re cently bought a Big 4 having had newer classics before. This model is not so very different to a 16H. It is hugely enjoyable, once you have overcome the peril of gear and brake pedals being reversed! Starting was a struggle to learn without someone there to advise; first attempt took me an hour and a half, now it can be first kick. basic servicing to date has been a doddle and it is all good fun. I've ridden a fair number of bikes and opening up the thumper is the most rewarding experience bar none. Good Luck!

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Hi Steven

I've not long ago bought a 16H from Andy Tiernan and I'm having a great time on it.

I am 6'4" but still have fun on it.

I'm just doing the occasional jobs to keep it running but I haven't done any renovating as such , because I always want to be out on it.

If you can make it over to Peterborough some time you could try it for size maybe and see if it excites you??

Cheers

 


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