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NOC Shop - Refunds

Hi. I recently purchased a sidestand for my Dominator 99 from the NOC Shop. The stand doesn’t fit my bike so I want to return it. I went onto the NOC Shop web page and looked on the relevant area for making a return. However, there is no way of requesting a refund - the only options are ‘Repair’, ‘Replacement’ or ‘Store credit’. If the amount was a small sum I would have gladly accepted a store credit but the stand cost over £100 and I don’t need any more parts so a credit is useless to me. Consumer Law says that if a part is wrongly described, then a refund should be offered. The stand was listed as fitting Featherbed frames but it doesn’t fit  my Featherbed frame. Even if the lack of a refund is ‘legal’, it’s still a mean and nasty practice and I’m very sorry to see the Club operating such a Scrooge-like practice.

So my advice is, “Don’t use the NOC Shop unless you are ABSOLUTELY sure you won’t need to return items for a refund”. Based on this experience I think I’ll be using the commercial spares suppliers from now on as they at least offer refunds if parts don’t suit.

Regards

Tony

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My side stand from the NOC shop purchased last August fitted my featherbed frame perfectly. What was the issue with yours?

It may be better to Email the Shop - spares”at”Nortonownersclub.org (replacing “at” with @ of course) -  or phone the number on your invoice explaining your problem rather than relying on the shop web page for a resolution to your issue.

Badmouthing the shop on the forum is bad form if you have not yet taken up your complaint with those best equipped to deal with it.

I hope you can resolve your issue satisfactorily.

BTW the other suppliers may offer a refund for faulty parts (valve spring compressor made of cheese anyone?), but not all will also refund the cost of return. Don’t ask me how I know this!

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Hi Alan. The problem I’ve got with the sidestand is that when it is clamped onto the lower frame tube, there is a 4mm gap between the back of the rear clamp half and the engine plate. That means that the clamp turns on the frame tube before it butts up against the engine plate which makes the bike lean at a very dangerous angle when on the sidestand. I think it might even topple right over when the fuel tank is full.

As for badmouthing the Shop, I wasn’t, I was merely stating the facts gained from my recent experience of the NOC Shop web pages. If the Shop wants to do e-commerce, then the website has to offer all the possible options for returns. If that’s what they’ve done, then they deliberately don’t offer refunds - I was just pointing out that fact. I’m assuming that the Shop pages were produced by an E-commerce savvy website builder so the decision to NOT include the option ‘Refund’ as one of the returns options must have been made by someone in the Club. I was just pointing out this rather unfriendly stance to Club members who haven’t yet fallen into this trap in the hope that it might prevent them from having the same poor experience as me.

Regards

Tony

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The welding tolerances on the featherbed frames are wide. And lug locations vary. Commercial suppliers warn of this, and give advice. You might have to add a shim plate. Not easy but not impossible. Mine has a genuine Norton one and it also leans too far without shimming.  Some versions are allegedly made too thick and need grinding back to suit individual machines.

Very remiss of Norton not to employ robotic tube bending and welding equipment.

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Hi David. Could you please give a bit more detail about how you managed to shim your stand. I’d thought about doing that but there doesn’t seem to be any way of fixing a shim in place. I placed a piece of steel behind the bracket but it just fell out after a few operations of the stand.

Thanks

Regards

Tony

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Just a note to confirm that the club will of course issue a refund if we are at fault, the goods we supply are faulty and/ or  the member would prefer not to have a replacement. The Club's Spares Service is a service to it's members, but we of course seek to meet the highest standards of service possible.

In this case, had the member requested a refund directly we would have given one immediately.

Our Terms and Codnitions of Sale (which have remained unchanged for decades!) are shown in a link on each NOC Shop page. It  describes our refund policy as:-

"8. Our refund policy
You may cancel your order at any time and for any reason within 15 days of delivery of the products ordered. In this case you must notify us of your wish to cancel in writing and you must return the product(s) to us at your expense in their original wrapping, intact and accompanied by all accessories and documentation that were part of the delivery. We will refund any monies paid to us in respect of a cancelled order within 30 days of receiving your note of cancellation. "

If Adam, or any member  has any cause to believe that he/she has not been treated fairly they should contact me directly at chairman@nortonownersclub.org

Peter

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Hi Peter. Thank you for clarifying the Club’s position regarding refunds from the NOCShop. However it still leaves me questioning why the option for a refund is not offered as an option on the ‘Returns’ section of the NOCShop web page - surely it ought to be there if refunds are a ‘matter of course’ option? I have emailed the Shop team, as recommended by Alan so I await their instructions on how and where to return the item.

Thanks again for your help

Regards

Tony

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Hi Tony

The 'Returns' section now shows refunds as an option. Thank you for pointing this out. Unfortunately it may for some reason have been omitted in error when we changed to the current NOPCommerce based eCommerce system a year or so ago.

Peter

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I managed to make a tapered shim with raised edges and pushed it in from the top, so it cannot slip out. But I agree that it's not exactly a successful design. It's too short, so any uneven ground has too much effect on the slope of the bike. I don't use it much. Don't really trust it. And since so much must be removed before fitting, it's not really possible to experiment.

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Thanks David. I guess I need to experiment with this problem, but as you say, it’s not so easy thanks to the way it fits onto the frame tube.  Regards

Tony

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Two of my slimlines have very little lean angle. The reason is that they both use 18" wheels.

19 inchers would solve this problem. (But they both have centre stands) 

Useless info I know, but worth knowing if starting from scratch. (Choice of wheel and tyres) 

Well done Peter, for amending the returns policy.

 

 

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Its possible that you have not positioned the stand far enough forward  where there is less space for it to revolve round the frame. There is some welding on the frame  and the weld often stops the stand going forward fully to its best position  Sadly this means the innercase sometimes has to be removed for clearance to allow a secure  fitting.

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I drilled and tapped my clamp to take a short setscrew, screwed it in until fully home and then ground it down to the thickness I wanted, that way it cannot work its way out, as it happened it was bang on, but it could easily have been adjusted further, or put back on by substituting another setscrew.

These side-stands almost always require some fettling, even original Norton ones if swapped between bikes.

 


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