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It's not clutch drag

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Definitely no clutch drag. I can stop the clutch centre spinning with my foot and the clutch lever pulled in. And it stays stopped. But yet, it is a bugger to get into gear (or back to neutral) with a stopped rear wheel. The clutch body has a very slight wobble when watched on tick-over. The clutch drive sprocket has a slight free movement when stationary. Am I right in thinking that the difficult gear changing (worse in traffic) is more to do with the gear box? If so where do I start looking? It's a Dommie box (GB8). Thanks for any help. George
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Ive got a dommie box on mine and it's fine. Is the primary chain adjusted so it not too tight? My clutch wobbles a bit too!

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Thanks Dan. Not to tight but then again could be looser. The problem is that means moving the gearbox back; that means moving the rear wheel back and that means using the chain adjusters which are on their last legs thread-wise. And so it goes.....George
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I bit the bullet, Dan and moved the gearbox forward a tad. I figured the rear chain was OK so left it alone. Slightly better gear changes but still reluctant to get back into neutral from first (or second). Everything adjusted as it should be. If it's a gearbox problem I'd appreciate guidance on which parts to look at. Cheers, George
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Have you had the clutch off? did you check that there is clearance between the back of the clutch spider and the sleeve gear when the clutch is mounted and the nut tight? A few thou is all you need.

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Good point, I fitted a new spider a while ago As mine was rubbing, but to be honest finding neutral when running is also a bit of s knack.

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I have had the clutch off Robert but did not check that. Don't forget I have not got clutch drag. It frees well. Could you relate the parts you describe to the part numbers in the parts book ('55 ES2)? How would that effect finding neutral?
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The biggest cause of poor selection with the AMC boxes is probably wear on the bronze mainshaft thrust washer but wear everywhere adds up - the camplate and quadrant bushes are also worth checking.

The best real world test of clutch freedom is to put it in gear, hold the clutch in and try to paddle the bike backwards. If that's difficult then there is too much drag.

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The clutch can lift and spin freely but if the spider drags on the sleeve gear it loads the gear teeth and resists free gear movement for the change. Wear on the back of the spider is a clue ,if the inner case is off you can check with a feeler guage there is clearance. As Richard says the Bronze bush/thrust at the KS end can wear and is not obvious.

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The "55 ES2 did not have an AMC box. It has the earlier lay down Norton box. If I do find that the clutch body is bearing on the sleeve gear how is that corrected? It's a part of the bike I have not investigated for many years
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I don't know about the laydown box, but I had to grind off about 10 thou off the back of the clutch spider on the AMC set up.

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Just watched Mike Hemmings excellent DVD on gearbox dismantle and re-assembly. He has the box out and mounted in a vice. Is it possible to do the work with the box in situ? I feel that it's coming to that. George
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On the AMC box you can do it all insitu ,bit dificult to replace the layshaft bearing though. Don't know if its the same on a laydown.


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