Hi,
All is not well on the starting, well, non-starting, of my 1972 Commando. Spins over fine on the Alton, new coils produce big fat sparks on new Brisk plugs,the Tri-Spark electronic ignition shows its tell-tale light at 28 degrees BTDC, plenty of petrol, (and EasyStart spray), but I just get pops and bangs, if I am lucky..
I want to check the 28 degree setting, the old-fashioned way viz: a pencil down the plug-hole, mark TDC level with the plug-hole fining , then turn the engine backwards by what ever are the number of millimetres that equate to 28 degree BTDC. Does anybody know the answer? I worked it out on a Castrol timing disc as being 11mms, but since it won't fire up, this must be wrong. It could be the Tri-Spark has lost its mapping, but Andover Norton thinks not.
So, does any member know the answer? Please don't guess!
If you live near Clare in Suffolk, come over, and see if between us we can get it going. It was running perfectly, before it suddenly wasn't. I think the Tri-Spark rotor might have slipped on the cone mounting on the end of the camshaft, as it seemed to be marginally loose, thus affecting the stator timing. A bit far-fetched, but it has to be something!
All very strange.
Andy Bone
01787 277441
Make sure the degree scale…
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You can't determine TDC…
You can't determine TDC accurately by feeling with a pencil. Its better to use the 'split the difference' method with a plug stop and degree disk and forget about linear measurement.
I have always found that timing doesn't have to be spot on to at least start, if not to run well, so your method may be good enough to at least get you going. The stroke is 89mm, then ignoring the con rod effect, which will be insignificant at a small angle like 28 degrees, the distance is 89/2 * (1-cos 28) = 5.2mm
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When clueless (a lot of the…
When clueless (a lot of the time ) with a bike ,i just set the static (retarded) timing a few degrees /mm before TDC and adjust it after starting a few times so that i cant provoke much of a kickback .(cant afford that anyway with old arthritic legs) . Probably takes the edge off the high performance but not by much as i still get told to slow down,and , its not a race !.
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Just one point…
Are you sure you are on the firing stroke when setting your timing?
A common slip up when your fixing rather than fettling.
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Wrong Timing Point
My money is on the following............
The Firing Point is close to max advance at around 28*.
This will allow the Ignition to fire and power a stroke. But this stroke then over-advances the ignition until the system fights itself to a stop.
A similar effect will occur if a Dominator electronic ignition system is bolted on a Commando engine with timing cover points. The ignition will advance itself into a retarded mode.
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Make sure the degree scale in the primary cover is accurately set, and make sure the Trispark rotor is with tolerance regarding how much offset from the ignition plate mounting surface it should be. For it to be working ok and then not sounds like something has slipped, broken, blocked or otherwise gone duff, wiring all ok?