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First off, I know this is an impossible question to get right.

I am just looking for suggestions, of which I hope there will be many.

I have recently completed a 16H restoration. I didn't rebuild the engine, as it runs sweet, it starts easily, and revs sweetly.

When I take it out, it runs fine and smooth, up to about 45mph. Then it bogs down, lacks powert, whatever you want to call it. Going up hill, at any speed, it does the same. I know these sidevale engines are not the most potent of beasts, but 45mph? I expected more.

Going down a steep hill it will top 60, just, but the bike seems to lack grunt across the range, and it seems to rev fine when unloaded.

I thought it might be the ignition too retarded, advanced it will little change.

I have no leaking from head gasket.

I have checked the carb, a 106 needle and 170 main jet, as prescribed.

So...any suggestions?

Paul

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Mine flies up to about an indicated 60mph or so. There are however quite a lot of variables in head castings etc. so some will be quicker than others.

The most likely causes might be incorrect valve timing or poor sealing (valve seats or piston rings). It will be difficult to investigate further without at least taking the head off).

You can check the valve timing roughly as the overlap is equal on these engines (at TDC, both valves should be open the same amount).

It's worth reading up on Mike Pemberton's valve timing articles in 'Roadholder' a year or so ago. It would seem to be quite common to find engines set incorrectly. (Well worth getting in touch with Mike if you're struggling).

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Another vote for valve timing here. My 16H had similarly poor performance and I found the inlet cam wheel had to be setone toothoff the pin mark for the valves to be close to equally off their seatsat TDC. Big improvement.

Another one to check is the plug reach, I have a head on which the electrode on a standard 1/2" reach plug hides up in the plug hole - which cant help.

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Hi Paul, I've just finished my 16H restoration and have had similar results in performance. I didn't change the piston and rings in my engine as I could see it had recently been done. At first my bike was slowing up as 30mph and I had to ride locally for 100 miles or so. The engine was loosening up a bit and I did a few rides out of town but I could still feel it holding back at about 40. It has slowly got better the more I've run it in. I had done 250 mile before I took it to Normandy for D-Day and it started to hold back after a long ride out. After that it was fine and I had no problem keeping up with the other bikes usually riding between 45-55 mph. I did another 430 miles there, I did give it a blast with an indicated 65mph but everyone says my speedo is wrong, although newly reconditioned. They may be right though as a few miles later the needle started spinning and flicking uncontrollably then packed in. So I'm going to strap the sat-nav to the handlebars to get a propper reading.

I thought the piston and rings would have been run in by the previous owner but obviously not. The slowing down or holding back I have been told is the piston and rings nipping up in the bore. I didn't push the bike if this happened and it seems to have bedded in ok now. Maybe your bike needs running in unless you know the engine has performed better before.

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I feel the book ignition advance figure is very safe-sided for modern fuel. Different /values appear in different lists - I'm using 7/16 BTDC at full advance. I'm going to set it further advanced - I can always push the lever back a bit.

My pipes are bright blue already - only 45 miles on them - looks (and feels) too far retarted to me. Plug is OK so not obviously too lean and it runs on full advance almost as soon as it is moving.

It's all a question of time - off to get wet at Banbury tomorrow. Don't know why I do these things...

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Why not optimise the ignition timing by a bit of on-road analysis? Pick a quiet stretch of level road and accelerate with full throttle in top gear from 30mph between two points (street lights, fence posts, whatever) and keep advancing the timing by tiny amounts to achieve the quickest time between the two points. If it starts to pink you've overdone it so retard it just enough to stop the pinking. Job done.

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Thanks everyone. I will investigate all suggestions, many of which are in agreement with my own thoughts. A compression test suggests all is well with the piston and bore, and valve seats. But if all else fails I will look into those.

I may begin with advancing the ignition even further, or until it starts to pink anyway, as the symptoms feel exactly like retarded ignition to me. I was cautious about over advancing, but your comments seem to suggest a more advanced setting is a benefit.

Will post the outcome. First job now is new inner tube after puncture today! Blast!

 


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