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Commando head on Atlas

Hi all,
I'm currently doing a top end rebuild on my 1966 Atlas. It is fitted with a 750 Commando head (possibly barrels also?). It has no identifying marks on it, so I presume it is an RH1, correct? It wasn't fitted with the insulating washers under the valve spring seat, so should I fit them? To be honest, there doesn't appear to be a location for them, the spring seats seem to fit flush into the head and I think I've read in the Commando Notes (old copy) that RH1 heads don't have them? If not, why not? The valve springs seem to have taken on a "set" so are being replaced - was this heat?

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Hello Stephen; Mark here. I see you are not getting any responses. There are a lot more knowledgeable than I but I’ll help if I can. My first question is how do you know the head is Commando? Does it have 5/16 head bolts or 3/8? I think your other questions are more about installation set-up than factory specs. this far down the line. I am available at: northernnortonnut@gmail.com
 

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Mark, thanks for responding. Sorry I didn't get back to you straight away, we have been for a short break. My head bolts are 3/8", it's an early Commando head I think. I think I have the answer after reading all the manuals again. The Norton Villiers Manual for the Commando says that all pre 1972 Commando should have the insulating washers fitted, so I've ordered them. The idea of leaving them out was due to a passage in the NOC Commando notes where it stated some Combat engines didn't have them in an attempt to get more "wriggle room" due to the head having been planed, so the geometry of the rockers was wrong and the pushrods didn't meet the valve head correctly. I can confirm this from my own experience, as my first Atlas, many years ago had a Combat head, complete with large "C" stamped on it (why?). Naturally the bottom end was utterly sh*gged and the valve tops looked like cold chisels, where the rockers had been just hitting the edge rather than squarely. They were so bad they wouldn't go through the guides! The Combat headed Commandos should have had the pushrods shortened to restore the geometry, but Norton didn't bother (nor did whoever had "tuned" my original Atlas)! The fix was supposedly a special thick alloy gasket; I tried it and spent most of my time keep tightening the head nuts, it had all the integrity of a Victoria Sponge - not recommended! The idea of leaving out the insulating washers is similarly flawed, especially on the exhaust valves.

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Stephen; Sounds like you have it well in hand. I agree with the insulating washers, in & ex, though I have run without them on the intakes. If I can be of any help please feel free to get in touch. 

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Fitting a Commando head on an Atlas engine is a smart move. This will give roughly 10% more power which allows higher gearing leading to less vibes at 70mph.
A big drawback is the rocker oil feed which will need re-arranging.  Also early barrels may have 5/16" head bolts and a spigot to sort out.
Years ago two thicknesses of heat insulation washers available for the valve seats. Running the engine without these will lead to the valve spring life being reduced. The smaller twins can probably manage without the inlet washers but not the Combat 750s.

 



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