Hi all,
Having just picked up the beautifully +.020" thou rebored and honed barrels from Hamlins Engineering in Bridgewater for my post engine number 94573, non spiggotted barrels Navigator I am now planning the top end rebuild.
I am wondering which head gasket to use because I have an original NOS composite Payen head gasket for the later engine and a modern solid copper gasket from the NOC shop which will of course need annealing before use. Interestingly both are obviously designed for spiggotted heads so have quite a wide gap between the edge of the bore and the gasket as shown in the attached pictures. You will also notice that the stud holes do not line up particularly well so will need gently opening up in places to fit without rucking up. I have found this is a common problem with all Lightweight headgaskets over the years.
I have also attached a picture of a Jubilee headgasket which lines up rather better with the studs and has a much smaller gap between the edge of the barrel and gasket.
You will probably know that Electra head gaskets are unobtainable and the solution is to use Jubilee gaskets which fit nicely. I have done this very successfully with my Electra with no sign of a blown head gasket and (touch wood!) no oil leaks round the push rod tunnels. I have attached a picture of an original spec composite Jubilee head gasket lined up on my barrels to show the better fit.
I have to say I am not a fan of the solid copper gaskets and although I have used identical NOS late engine head gaskets with that wide gap in the past it has always required a lot of fettling to line up the studs.
I am very tempted to refit the heads using Jubilee head gaskets the same way that is successful on the Electra. My first question is, has any one done this and if so was it a success?
My second question is does the composite head gasket fit with the plain face down against the barrels and the 'folded over' face upwards against the heads.
I have never found any reference to this in the original Norton instruction booklets, the Lightweight Compendium or the better Workshop Manuals. I have always done it that way in the past but always wondered if it is correct! Even the Payen instruction sheet (picture attached) doesn't give the answer!
Looking forward to sage advice laced with tales of mechanical woe as always!
Cheers Nick
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I would have thought...
that if it's OK on the Electra it should be for the Navi. But what do I know? I usually paint a thin coat of wellseal on head gaskets and have done for years, mostly on Commandos and never had a problem.
Interestingly when I got my Electra one of the outer head nuts - the reduced hexagon ones - was totally missing, but there is no leakage after fitting a nut. Mind you with the pathetic mileage I've managed so far it's probably not had much chance although the compression tester showed about the same for both sides.
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Thanks Ian, like you I u…
Thanks Ian, like you I paint a thin film of Welseal on the base gasket and a thin film of high temperature silicone gasket round the push rod tunnels on both sides of the head gasket which seams to be a good combination. Interestingly I have had no problems with the head gasket blowing round the bores but frustrating oil leaks on the Electra round the front push road tunnels. Use of the silicone and meticulously torquing down the head frequently during the first 1000 miles running in that Andy and Peter advocate has cured that. I must say I can't see any reason why the Jubilee head gaskets won't work on a 'spiggottless' Navigator if they work on the Electra!
I won't be doing the job until the Jubilee gaskets arrive so will await any other advice! N
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Composite gasket
I have always fitted them so the flame rings face upwards towards the heads, taught that way back in the 50's in the local garage.
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Thanks Stanley, it looks…
Thanks Stanley, it looks like I've been fitting them the right way round despite my lack of training!
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