Looking for advice for a side stand for single down tube frame ES2, Model7

Rene... I'm sure there was a conversation about the same topic recently. Have you used the search tool on this site?

I used a Kawasaki ZZ600 stand attached to an old alloy engine plate that I modified.

I have another plate which you're welcome to (passing on previous generosity).

Ian:

Can you post a photo of the bike from the front when standing on the side stand?

Mike

Previously rene_milas wrote:

Short of carrying a pack of beer cans , to put under the LH footpeg, I am looking for a sidestand to fit my 1950 Model 7 which shared its frame with other bikes like the ES2.

I am ready to buy one or to manufacture one from scratch. A pattern or some drawings could help.

The pack of beer cans can be used during construction.

Thks

RenÃ?

Hi RenÃ?,

The frame on the Model 7 differs from the ES2as the engine bolts are in different positions so the cast bracket is different. Also there are different lengths of leg for Inters and, I think, swinging arm frames so there are a few different types of what seems to look like the same stand. If you are not bothered about it's originality then Ian's mod might be easier.

Regards, Richard.

P.S. Back in the day riders used 1 gallon metal oil cans to put under the footrest of their race bikes in the paddock, but the new ones are too thin and bend too easily, just like the new beer cans!

Previously michael_sullivan wrote:

Ian:

Can you post a photo of the bike from the front when standing on the side stand?

Mike

Hi Michael. This is a as near as I have - the bike is currently up on a lift undergoing cosmetic surgery.....

The stand does hold it rather more vertical than I would ideally like but I really only use it for mounting / dismounting - I use the centre stand for anything much longer.

You could look in the NOC shop!! Part number e12/1014

£110 and one in stock.

Paul

The Kawasaki one was £7 from ebay......

Previously ian_soady wrote:

Previously michael_sullivan wrote:

Ian:

Can you post a photo of the bike from the front when standing on the side stand?

Mike

Hi Michael. This is a as near as I have - the bike is currently up on a lift undergoing cosmetic surgery.....

The stand does hold it rather more vertical than I would ideally like but I really only use it for mounting / dismounting - I use the centre stand for anything much longer.

hello, nice old Norton which I was given one just like this when I was 17 years old to restore my first restoration a 1951 modeles2, use to go to work on it every day for years it saved my father live one day but that another story, and now I wish I never sold it On, what good old bike she was, yours anna j

I was guided towards the Kawasaki stand by you Anna - a good tip!

Previously ian_soady wrote:

I used a Kawasaki ZZ600 stand attached to an old alloy engine plate that I modified.

I have another plate which you're welcome to (passing on previous generosity).

Hello someone has pinched my zzr600 stand mod but well done it look the part , the norton stand is well over priced when you can modify one from another machine, or scratch make your own for a lot less cost, well done you all keep up the good work yours anna j

I found the normal propstand to far forward which tended to lift the front wheel and make the bike unstable. I now use a "Vintele" telescopic stand on my plunger ES2 that is attached mid frame.

Iâve bought a Kawasaki stand and mount but have yet to fit it.

on mine i found a pretty stable position was more or less Centre of the engine. forward of that it seemed to lift the bike as though it was going to topple over. mind you i suppose it all depends at what angle you set the bracket and what length the stand is. the main thing is it can be done.

I wouldn't say it was the most stable stand I've ever used but it does what it needs to. Certainly better than the thing fitted to my Guzzi which retracts when it feels like it, or the one I had on my Matchless G80 which was designed to retract when the weight was taken off it.

Rene,

Please note that even though the frames are similar for the Model 7 and the ES2 there is a different sidestand bracket for each one. This is because the front engine plates are different for the single and twin engines, but the leg is the same.

The bracket for the twin engine (Model 7) has two horizontal mounting holes. I can take photos if this helps you and can provide measurements as well.

Philip

Previously ian_soady wrote:

I was guided towards the Kawasaki stand by you Anna - a good tip!

hello I am very glad you used it mate, well done keep up the good work yours anna j

ive got to admit it the first kawasaki side stand i bought i tried to weld a spring lug onto it . as soon as i struck the welder up. there was one big bang one half went one way and the other half fell to the floor.

Soporte lateral fijado por debajo del motor.(h16)

Saludos gerardo

I've attached a couple of photos to show the two types of sidestands for early / mid 1950's single downtube models. Hope they help to show the difference.

Just to add a bit more to this thread - I tried to fit a side stand from a kawasaki ZZR600 to my plunger framed model 7. I used the 'extra engine plate' idea, and while it would have worked with the stand down, the stand foules the exhaust pipe when retracted to such a degree that it cannot be fitted. So now I'm stuck. Any other ideas out there for adapting a sensibly priced stand to fit ?

DJC

The attachments show the side stand on my 1948 ES2.  The bracket uses the through engine front mounting bolts. It works really well, is easy to kick outwards and does not foul the exhaust system. Whether it is original I know not.

On a gardengate plunger: