Description of Part Required:- Front mudguard 1960 to 1963 Dominator 99.
Deep valanced mudguard for 7 inch forks
Model Number required for:- Dominator 99
Part Number:- 19362
Also used on if known:- Dominator 88, ES2, Model 50, 650 and Navigator (ref Parts Book number PS214)
Implication of lack of part:- Cosmetic. No pattern parts seem to be available.
Routes you have tried to acquire the part and response received.
1 Contacted:- Club spares shop, Andover Norton, RGM, Norvil, British Bike Spares
Do you have a worn or damaged part available as a pattern?
No
Based on price for similar parts, what would you expect to pay (give range)
Anything up to £175.00
Comments:-
I have been told that the original tooling for this mudguard no longer exists so unless a third party recreates the mudguards, they will never be seen again and no Dominators from 1969 to 1963 that require a front mudguard will ever be completed.
Front Mudguard for 7 ins Roadholder forks
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Hi Peter, I will try to get…
Hi Peter, I will try to get to my spare ,which is under a lot of insulation in my spider filled shed . I can then send you a photo. Got to get in there to find an old chop saw to finish roof timbers. At 75 everything goes slowly after Covid.
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Re the Indian mudguards, I…
Re the Indian mudguards, I have seen a couple and they weren’t worth buying as they needed so much professional metal working to make them usable that the total cost is crazy. One was so badly made it probably wasn’t salvageable. Also, the vendors I’ve contacted don’t understand that there are two fork widths - they just keep saying ‘Slimline’ so I have no confidence in the width of their mudguards being correct.
Tony
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Hi, I might come in a bit…
Hi, I might come in a bit late on this thread, but I recently took the badly rust-pitted front mudguard of my ‘63 Atlas, which has 7” yokes. I got it blasted and painted it black to avoid further deterioration. If it is the right one and useful as a pattern, I am happy to donate it.
Holger
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Thats the same guard as…
Thats the same guard as fitted to the Deluxe twins 350 cc and above.I have one on the bike and a spare thats had a bump at the front.Indian Guards appear to be too poor to consider . Its very unfortunate because they have the capability to produce a fair job but the supply chain is too fractured , no intelligent comunication with the point of manufacture . No quality control, Often little understanding of the requirements . There are old time craftsmen there who could make you a perfect replica for peanuts ,its just not organised.And never will be. The same goes for many other parts they make.
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Indian mudguards
I have purchased a set of Indian guards for my 1949 Model 7. I do have the originals as well.
The Indian guards, while fitting well, do not replicate the originals with respect to the "gothic" styling lines of the genuine guards.
As with many Indian sourced parts, they are never exactly the same as original parts which is a pity as the there is no reason not to replicate the original part exactly.
I have decided to use my original guards inspite of a few ripples in the metal.
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Renovation Spares?
This company used to be at shows selling copies of classic mudguards. Now I believe they only manufacture to order. Redditch based.. or they were. Old Bike mart ?
These guys know the mudguards and produce them at a price people will pay. There is always a cost/benefit balance to be considered.
If you have the 2021 NOC calendar, the front mudguard June 2021 is from Renovation spares.
You can Nit-Pick, but it looks good.
Producing EXACT copies of the original by hand is a precarious business to be in. The returns on a claim like this would be immense because it is impossible to produce EXACT copies by hand. The holes might be 1 mm out of position. Perhaps the number plate holes are present/not present. Perhaps the rolled edge is not quite so good at the tight radius of the leading part. And is the special 'Norton' triangle on the front present. Is the profile of June 2021 front mudguard exactly right?
I seem to remember paying Renovation Spares less than £100 for this mudguard about 2010. They may have gone up now.
BTW - I have no commercial interest in Renovation Spares.
If you think the club spares scheme should be stocking pattern copies like these,.......
Peter Holland
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Renovation Spares
Simon from Renovation Spares attends many of the auto jumbles with a stock of mudguards. Knows his stuff. If he doesn't have a close enough guard in stock he will copy one if available. He is currently copying the rear mudguard from my ES2 plunger as mine was beyond rescue. He supplied a front mudguard (which included the cable clip) that had been copied. I agree with Peter that exact copies are unlikely but if the rear is as close to original as the front one is I will be very happy. He was in the process of moving premises so has had mine for quite a while, this has reminded me I need to call him! It won't be cheap though.
I also have no commercial interest.
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I note that pattern mudguards of the type required are available through eBay from India.
NORTON FEATHERBED SLIMLINE FRONT & REAR CHROMED MUDGUARD SET |Fit For | eBay
Norton Featherbed Slimline Front chrome Mudguard + bracket | eBay
Personally, I would buy a handmade item like this in bare metal ready for plating/painting. Then, if a hole needs to drilled, the bridge adjusted, and some 'fitting' needed, it can all be done without ruining the chrome.
BUT . It would probably cost you £80.00 or more to get a front mudguard decently chromed in the UK, which makes the Indian items soo...oh tempting. You could get them de-chromed for about £35.00.
Anyone tried these Indian made ones? and recommend a supplier?
Peter Holland