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Hi all, has anyone tried the Thorspark ignition system? If so, how good is it? The mag on my '54 Dominator is suspect, and, to have it reconditioned would be time consuming, and expensive. According to Thorspark's web site, their unit takes only a couple of hours to fit, and the magneto does not have to be removed. Sounds too good to be true, or am I just a cynic in my old age?!! John.

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Hello John - Do you know how to sort out your mag? They're easy you know, if you cannot do this, let me know if you want my help !

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Hi Anna, I had my mag "reconditioned" a few years ago, since then, the bike has not done more than 2,000 miles (it was stored in a dry garage for 6 years). I am still experimenting, with timing & fuel mixture, but have no "top end" power. The engine starts with the first kick from cold, and, after increasing the valve clearances (alloy pushrods with iron head), it also restarts easily when hot. However, it runs out of steam at about 70 m.p.h. I owned a '53 88 in the 50's which, in bog standard trim, would reach 90 m.p.h. on the flat. Although I do not want to drive long distances at this speed, I do want it available for overtaking (Spanish drivers, like most motorists, tend to accelerate when you catch them up!). I have not got the equipment to rebuild a mag, and, it is a pig to remove & refit anyway. The Thorspark system looks like an easy solution, and retains the original "look". Regards, John.

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This doesn't sound like a typical magneto problem. Setting the ignition timing with a magneto does require a bit of patience and you MUST check the timing on both cylinders. Could it be a bit retarded? Also, have you done a plug chop? Your bike should have a bit more go than that. Is the throttle opening fully? I have known that to be the problem. What size main jet are you running? If you switch off the petrol when running on full throttle does it speed up just before it stops? That would imply running rich. If you shut the choke a bit, does it run better? Then too weak. Changing the mag is only a problem because the bottom nut is inaccessible. Fit a BSA A7/A10 extended magneto fixing nut instead. It's available from any BSA spares dealer. It makes changing the magneto simplicity itself.

Gordon.

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Hi Gordon, you may well be right, and it is not a magneto problem. The timing was set up "by the book", only on one cylinder. However, the exhaust "beat" sounds identical, on both sides, and, with one set of points how can you adjust each cylinder? The carburettor needle has been up and down like a yo yo, and, I've tried up to a 270 main jet (which should be far too large for a 500 cc.). The plugs are still coming out white. My latest thought is; maybe the float level is too low, and there is fuel starvation at full throttle. Any thoughts on this? Also, a previous owner has fitted a 1-1/16" monoblock carb, and may have modified the inlet manifold. The manifold to carb bore is 1-1/16", but the manifold to inlet 1". Would this be a 99 manifold, or has it been reamed out to match the carb? I have a good head of hair, for my age, but it is rapidly being torn out! John.

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Well, it WAS the mag, it packed up completely, with no spark at all. I have ordered a Thorspark unit, which will be the quickest, and probably cheapest, way to get back on the road. Once fitted & tested, I will post details, of how well it works, and any problems that arise. The web sites says it takes "one to two hours to fit, and re-time". I HOPE this is true! John.

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Looking forward to hearing how you get on! For an 88 on a 1 1/16 monobloc carb: 260 main, 30 pilot, C needle on 2nd notch from top, 3 cutaway. Hope that helps.

Gordon.

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The extended BSA Magneto bolt/nut is a really sensible mod and can save hours of spanner workwhen sorting out ignition timing problems. However, the centre part of thisbolt may need thinning down a little to enable it to clear the crankcase edges and the magneto body. I had to take nearly 1mm off one that I recently purchased.

John mentions that his bike is a 1954 model. The enginemay still have the early type of camshaft with the very brief opening times compared to the later versions. After over 50 years of use, some of the motor may not be inthe best ofcondition for peak performance. Add on the original 1" carb inlet for these engines, tired auto advance, valve and ignition timing slighltly off, etcand the chances of his bike ever getting up to Dommiracer speeds are going to be very slim.

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Hi again Phil, your comments are, as usual, well reasoned and helpful. However, I am not at all interested in achieving Dommiracer speeds! All I am trying to get is the same performance as the"bog standard" '53 Dominator 88 I owned in my youth. The engine in, my '54 model, has been totally rebuilt, as far as I know, to original spec , including a new auto advance unit (although I did not check what cam was fitted, and I know the carb is incorrect). The electronic unit arrived, today, but has not even been unpacked yet as I have family visitors from the U.K. Your previous post, regarding the alloy pushrods & iron head, helped a lot. Thanks again for that. John.

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Well folks, after a bit of delay, the Thorspark unit is fitted to my Dommi 88. Works perfectly, and, without close inspection you can't tell the original mag is no longer working. The ignition switch has been fitted where the old cut-out button was, and the twin coils sit in the under seat toolbox. The old H.T. lead are now taped up under the tank, and the new leads look as if they are an extension of the originals. The "Bumpff" (fitting instructions!) says it takes about two hours to install, but reckon on double this to make a neat job. When you consider the cost, and time, it would take to have a mag serviced, or replaced, this unit is excellent value for the money (£150 + p&p). Plus, you still have the old mag in place if you ever want to be a purist and restore it. Hopefully, this information will help someone else who has "run out of sparks", and wants to get back on the road quickly. John.

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Hi all, has anyone tried the Thorspark ignition system? If so, how good is it? The mag on my '54 Dominator is suspect, and, to have it reconditioned would be time consuming, and expensive. According to Thorspark's web site, their unit takes only a couple of hours to fit, and the magneto does not have to be removed. Sounds too good to be true, or am I just a cynic in my old age?!! John.

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Previously wrote:

Hi Anna, I had my mag "reconditioned" a few years ago, since then, the bike has not done more than 2,000 miles (it was stored in a dry garage for 6 years). I am still experimenting, with timing & fuel mixture, but have no "top end" power. The engine starts with the first kick from cold, and, after increasing the valve clearances (alloy pushrods with iron head), it also restarts easily when hot. However, it runs out of steam at about 70 m.p.h. I owned a '53 88 in the 50's which, in bog standard trim, would reach 90 m.p.h. on the flat. Although I do not want to drive long distances at this speed, I do want it available for overtaking (Spanish drivers, like most motorists, tend to accelerate when you catch them up!). I have not got the equipment to rebuild a mag, and, it is a pig to remove & refit anyway. The Thorspark system looks like an easy solution, and retains the original "look". Regards, John.

John Your Problem of have no top speed is down too the alloy push rod as they expand more than the steel ones it should have in there , And Magnetos do not like standing unused for a long time span like 6 years , for my money I would rebuild the mag as there is nothing to them ,There easy to do , if you know what your doing like ,I do ,I have stripped and rebuilt many of them over the years , too make a simple test on one all you need is a length of wire a 6volt bulb a 9volt battery take the wire a bear one end so it goes round the slip ring and rap the other end to the battery + side and have a length for the side attached to the negative side then that goes to the bulb the bulb goes to the earth pick up and if the bulb lights up your mag is OK , if not your mag is dead hope this may help

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Previously wrote:

Hi Anna, I had my mag "reconditioned" a few years ago, since then, the bike has not done more than 2,000 miles (it was stored in a dry garage for 6 years). I am still experimenting, with timing & fuel mixture, but have no "top end" power. The engine starts with the first kick from cold, and, after increasing the valve clearances (alloy pushrods with iron head), it also restarts easily when hot. However, it runs out of steam at about 70 m.p.h. I owned a '53 88 in the 50's which, in bog standard trim, would reach 90 m.p.h. on the flat. Although I do not want to drive long distances at this speed, I do want it available for overtaking (Spanish drivers, like most motorists, tend to accelerate when you catch them up!). I have not got the equipment to rebuild a mag, and, it is a pig to remove & refit anyway. The Thorspark system looks like an easy solution, and retains the original "look". Regards, John.

John Your Problem of have no top speed is down too the alloy push rod as they expand more than the steel ones it should have in there , And Magnetos do not like standing unused for a long time span like 6 years , for my money I would rebuild the mag as there is nothing to them ,There easy to do , if you know what your doing like ,I do ,I have stripped and rebuilt many of them over the years , too make a simple test on one all you need is a length of wire a 6volt bulb a 9volt battery take the wire a bear one end so it goes round the slip ring and rap the other end to the battery + side and have a length for the side attached to the negative side then that goes to the bulb the bulb goes to the earth pick up and if the bulb lights up your mag is OK , if not your mag is dead hope this may help

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Well Anna, you have obviously not read the previous posts on this subject. I KNOW my mag was dead, and there was no way to get it quickly repaired (I am living in Spain). I have already fitted the Thorspark unit, and, if you had read my earlier post today, you would know it works perfectly. The alloy push-rods are no longer problem, now the valve clearances have been increased. The carburettor still needs a little adjustment, but the bike reached over 80 M.P.H. today (almost fast enough for a 75 year old!). Regards, John.

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Well Anna, you have obviously not read the previous posts on this subject. I KNOW my mag was dead, and there was no way to get it quickly repaired (I am living in Spain). I have already fitted the Thorspark unit, and, if you had read my earlier post today, you would know it works perfectly. The alloy push-rods are no longer problem, now the valve clearances have been increased. The carburettor still needs a little adjustment, but the bike reached over 80 M.P.H. today (almost fast enough for a 75 year old!). Regards, John.

Hello John Well A Good 1954 Dominator will get to 98Mph , I hope you now have a nice time riding around Spain , its a Nice County , As where only here the once , And take good care of that Nice Dominator you have , there getting thin on the ground now, good riding and all the best John , Yours Anna J

 


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