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According to the workshop manual the tightening sequence is simple to understand, but not the torque settings. All but two of the nuts and bolts on mine are 5/16" heads with the exception of the two underneath at the front. These are smaller heads but the same size stud as the one underneath at the rear which has a 5/16" nut, because of the head size difference the torque settings are different although the stud size is the same. Help!!!!!

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I have only ever used the calibrated arm muscle and an appropriate length spanner - not too long. Just the way the factory used to do it. With a bit of experienceyou can be pretty accurate. Bear in mind that torque figures vary significantly for dry and lubricated threads. Using a spanner and feel you can judge the resistance and get it right - neither under nor over torqued.

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Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

I have only ever used the calibrated arm muscle and an appropriate length spanner - not too long. Just the way the factory used to do it. With a bit of experienceyou can be pretty accurate. Bear in mind that torque figures vary significantly for dry and lubricated threads. Using a spanner and feel you can judge the resistance and get it right - neither under nor over torqued.

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Previously peter_flynn wrote:

Previously Gordon Johnston wrote:

I have only ever used the calibrated arm muscle and an appropriate length spanner - not too long. Just the way the factory used to do it. With a bit of experienceyou can be pretty accurate. Bear in mind that torque figures vary significantly for dry and lubricated threads. Using a spanner and feel you can judge the resistance and get it right - neither under nor over torqued.

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THanks Gordon for your reply, that is one method, but I would really like to know the torque settings. I cannot understand why there are different torque settings for the same size stud just because the head size is different. Can somebody please tell me what the torque settings actually are, thank you

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Both oldbrits and RGM have notes covering this area. The RGM values are,

Torque's.

All 3/8 head bolts 30 lbs./ft

All 5/16 head bolts 20 lbs./ft

The two 5/16 nuts at the front from the top 20 lbs./ft.

The 3/8 nuts tightened from the underside 30 lbs./ft.

The oil feed banjo bolts 12 lbs./ft (be careful these snap easily)

The exhaust cover nuts 8 lbs./ft again be careful, the studs snap easily.

But beware, lubricant reduces these safe values and the calibration of the torque wrench may be correct. If you use a torque wrench, it is important to check it one in a while. I use a spring balance to check mine. load, (lbs)* length, (feet)= torque in lbs/ft.

you can see why more experienced mechanics than I rely on feel.

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Previously charles_bovington wrote:

Both oldbrits and RGM have notes covering this area. The RGM values are,

Torque's.

All 3/8 head bolts 30 lbs./ft

All 5/16 head bolts 20 lbs./ft

The two 5/16 nuts at the front from the top 20 lbs./ft.

The 3/8 nuts tightened from the underside 30 lbs./ft.

The oil feed banjo bolts 12 lbs./ft (be careful these snap easily)

The exhaust cover nuts 8 lbs./ft again be careful, the studs snap easily.

But beware, lubricant reduces these safe values and the calibration of the torque wrench may be correct. If you use a torque wrench, it is important to check it one in a while. I use a spring balance to check mine. load, (lbs)* length, (feet)= torque in lbs/ft.

you can see why more experienced mechanics than I rely on feel.

The two at the front are the newer style sleeve nuts. They are 3/8 thread even though the hex is 5/16 BSF spanner. They look like the old rear brake drum sleeve nuts but have a flat seating area instead of tapered. The manual says 30 ft/lbs for 3/8 threads. I think this is regardless of hex size. It is quite easy to take them out and verify that they are 3/8 but even my ancient Atlas heads have 3/8 in that position so I don't think that has ever changed.

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I just checked the RGM web site. I think they are contradicting the manual unless you read "3/8 head bolts" as "3/8 cylinder head bolts" and not "3/8 hex head bolts". They do not say "cylinder head studs" which would clarify a little. These are the ones the OP is talking about:

"The 3/8 nuts tightened from the underside 30 lbs./ft."

Which are in fact 5/16 hex.

Someone knowledgeable should contact them and straighten this out. (More knowledgeable than me). Here is the document:

http://www.rgmnorton.co.uk/csi/1245184/f/pdf/cylinder_head_kit_notes.pdf

 


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