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Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by peter_holland1 at October 16. 2018

For a couple of years the NOC spares scheme has been out of Lightweight kickstart lever assemblies. These have always been a stock item because the club had a LARGE number of NOS items which have gradually dwindled away over the last twenty years to nothing.

No other model has the same kickstart.

A similar diameter spline is used on a Villiers engine but the kickstart will hit the Norton silencer even if you force it on the Norton kickstart shaft. Steve, of Villiers services says their spline has a slightly different number of teeth.

There is now no known supplier of kickstarts for Lightweights since the NOC bought up all the lightweight stock from Russel Motors.

Lightweights without working kickstarts are useless.

Unless I'm wrong on any of the above, I believe it is time to approach the NOC and get a plan in place for a batch of new Kickstart assemblies.

Before I do that, please confirm by comment, that I've got most of the facts right.

Thanks, but I don't need to know how to saw up a heavyweight gear change lever, weld on a shaft, get it rechromed etc. or other workarounds.

Positive or negative?

Peter

 

 

 

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by patrick_mullen at October 16. 2018

Hi Peter,

I agree with you that there are no known sources for obtaining Lightweight kickstart levers and your facts are correct. The gearlever is also equally hard to obtain. Likewise seats etc.

Once upon a time the NOCshop held a large amount of Lightweight spares but it seems to be the case that as the stock runs out it is not being replaced; so quite a number of parts are now "out of stock".  Possibly price of production might be the deciding factor;  quite simply it costs as much -maybe more- to restore a Lightweight as say a Commando but the end product has a very low actual market value.  So by definition the market for re-manufactured good quality spares is probably very limited.

Your idea is a good one to at least make an approach to Neil S at spares.

Patrick

 

 

 

 

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by john_day at October 16. 2018

There is one now on ebay…..£25 starting price

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dennis_thompson at October 16. 2018

If you are assessing demand I need one for my 1965 Jubilee. Please add me to the list requesting NOC shop to stock them.

The one I have is in poor condition and I have been quoted £80+ to have it re-chromed. That seems to be the price for any part to be re-chromed these days.

Dennis

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by andrew_wibmer at October 16. 2018

I have been looking for one for over two years, in my search I now have three, all of which are not good enough, I have spent a fair amount buying those. If a new one was available at NOC I would have bought one, but I gave up waiting. Same is true for styling panels - a pair of modified ones recently went on ebay for £120 plus if I remember right. Can't criticise NOC spares as we are restoring / making good 50 year plus old bikes. Tooling up for these spares can be horrendously expensive. Shortages is part of the "experience". I have had to learn a lot of new skills and have gathered around me a number of folk who I can go to for advice or help. Cutting / welding and re-plating is all part of the set of skills needed to keep these machines going - it can be quite satisfying as well.

Regards

Andrew

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by peter_holland1 at October 17. 2018

Thanks for your support guys. That example on ebay looks fairly worn to me but may work.

Anyone else feel that there is a need for kickstart levers for lightweights?

I appreciate that the cost of a few new kickstarts would be scary. At a batch size of 500 you could might be looking at £17 each using a forging and a broach to form the splines.

You might be looking at twice that for 100 kickstarts using investment cast product.

If a broach tool looks expensive, you can always pay more to spark erode the spline form.

This is the sort of discussion I would propose starting with NOC.

I have to show there is a demand.

Peter

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by patrick_mullen at October 17. 2018

Hi Peter,

The last quoted price on the NOCshop for a Lightweight kickstart was GBP 87.50 plus 20% VAT = GBP 105.00.  So the figures mentioned by you would seem a bargain. Now that Neil has retired you might stand a chance of actually speaking to him.

Hopefully you will get more responses from owners as it would be useful to have an idea how many Lightweights are still in existence and potentially roadworthy. I have a feeling that there are very few.

Patrick

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at October 17. 2018

I need at least one as well, mine is hanging in by a few splines, I also have one with no splines! The club will prob need a good example to copy.

Dan

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by michael_sullivan at October 18. 2018

Since the company was Norton Villiers, take a look at some kickstarters from a Villiers engined unit. You never know if they robbed parts from one line to use on another.

Mike

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at October 27. 2018

I know Terry Weedy was having some villiers kickstarts made for trials bikes, I hope he’ll be at Telford in Feb and will take a shaft with me if we don’t find anything before hand.

http://www.terryweedy.com/classic-kickstarts.html

Dan

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by peter_holland1 at October 28. 2018

Previously Dan Field wrote:

I know Terry Weedy was having some villiers kickstarts made for trials bikes, I hope he’ll be at Telford in Feb and will take a shaft with me if we don’t find anything before hand.

http://www.terryweedy.com/classic-kickstarts.html

Dan

Thanks for picking up on this Dan. As you can see from my initial post, I discussed the fit of Villiers kickstart with Steve on the Villiers stand at Stafford. Believe I was talking the person who ordered kickstarts for Villiers Services. He was very helpful. He said he'd lost count of Norton Owners begging for something that might fit their lightweights.

I can't find anyone who has bought an alternative kickstart that will fit the Norton Lightweight with standard silencers. Nor have I heard of anyone who has bought the Villiers kickstart and had success.

You could try... or .....The Villiers kickstart has the same diameter shaft....are the usual responses.

Please tell us if you think Terry could help us.

Many thanks

Peter

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by nicholas_clarke at October 28. 2018

I would certainly buy one, I know how dodgy those splines can be!

Nick

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at October 29. 2018

I’ll let you know how my investigations go!

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by keith_hammerton at November 12. 2018

There is a new old stock navi kickstart on e bay at moment at £65 one  bidder at moment looks ok  5 days left Keith

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by steven_tyrer at November 18. 2018

Previously keith_hammerton wrote:

There is a new old stock navi kickstart on e bay at moment at £65 one  bidder at moment looks ok  5 days left Keith

It went today for £145.00!!!!

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at November 18. 2018

It would cost that to have one altered and then chrome plated I expect.  The repo ones are £100.

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by peter_holland1 at November 18. 2018

Previously Dan Field wrote:

It would cost that to have one altered and then chrome plated I expect.  The repo ones are £100.

Hi Dan,

Can you point us to the seller of reproduction Norton Lightweight kickstart levers for around £100.? I started this thread because I thought the supply of kickstart lever assemblies had dried up completely.

I have no interest in persuading the NOC into kickstart manufacture for lightweights if they are available elsewhere.

Many thanks

Peter

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at November 18. 2018

Sorry ...... bad wording on my part 😉 I can only point you towards repo kickstarts for other makes for £100!! I’m taking a shaft and kickstart to the  Telford show in Feb to see if the kickstarts Terry Weedy makes for villiers trials bikes could be made to fit.

The point I was trying to make is that in the scheme of things £150 isn’t cheap, but it isn’t expensive either! It’s comparable to a new kickstart is for modern bike.

Ideally we need the club to have a batch made, there’s clearly a market, I need 2 as a start.

Dan

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by steven_tyrer at November 19. 2018

Previously Dan Field wrote:

Sorry ...... bad wording on my part 😉 I can only point you towards repo kickstarts for other makes for £100!! I’m taking a shaft and kickstart to the  Telford show in Feb to see if the kickstarts Terry Weedy makes for villiers trials bikes could be made to fit.

The point I was trying to make is that in the scheme of things £150 isn’t cheap, but it isn’t expensive either! It’s comparable to a new kickstart is for modern bike.

Ideally we need the club to have a batch made, there’s clearly a market, I need 2 as a start.

Dan

To be honest I would prefer to buy from NOC and know its well made or in good condition than purchase from Ebay, and I would be happy to pay a deposit towards a batch being made

 

 

 

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at November 19. 2018

Ditto but I need to start my Navi in the meantime!

Dan

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by keith_howe at November 21. 2018

Hi I have been following this conversation avidly waiting for someone to come up with half a dozen kickstarters for £50 quid but no luck! However please add me to the list of persons willing to pay through the nose for a kickstarter.

Keith

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by peter_holland1 at November 22. 2018

Hi all,

Many thanks to you all for supporting the call for a new batch of Norton Lightweight kickstart assemblies.

I have incredibly good news.

RGM Norton Ltd.  +44 (0) 1946 841261    www.rgmnorton.co.uk

RGM now have a sizeable stock of 'KICKSTARTER COMPLETE, FITS LIGHTWEIGHTS Part No: '042941'

I have ordered and received an example. Obviously I'm delighted. The parts have been commissioned by RGM and assembled in their works.

Beautiful chrome finish. The pedal joint has been greased on assembly by RGM. The fasteners are all stainless. The assembly comes with a fitted pedal rubber.

Alongside the original Norton part you will notice the lever is about 3 cms longer. The offset appears the same as the original, so should just clear the silencer, like the original. Every other feature looks like the original design.

Congratulations to Roger and the team at RGM for taking this initiative.

No need now for the NOC to get a batch started.

I've suggested to RGM that the part description is changed from 'kickstarter' to 'kickstart'. A small change but the lightweight item does not appear if you search the RGM site with 'kickstart'.

Happy days.

Peter Holland

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by dan_field at November 22. 2018

It’s a bit tricky to find but is here: https://www.rgmnorton.co.uk/buy/kickstart-complete-fits-lightweights_4800.htm

Thank you RGM!

Dan

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by patrick_mullen at November 23. 2018

Well done Peter.

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by nicholas_clarke at November 23. 2018

Great job Peter and RGM!

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by steven_tyrer at November 23. 2018

Great news and thanks Peter, Just ordered one :)

Re: Lightweight kickstart levers - Having trouble?

Posted by keith_hammerton at November 25. 2018

Previously steven_tyrer wrote:

Great news and thanks Peter, Just ordered one :)

well done peter thats great news

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