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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at February 21. 2010

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by steven_phelps at February 23. 2010

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

hello anna,

I have Manxman serial number 18-93736, i also have an extra 650 engine (sorry dont have the number wrote down here) and a few other manxman extra parts.

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by steven_phelps at February 23. 2010

Anna , I also have an original Manxman tank in the correct color blue (never painted - new old stock). somewhere have a paint mixture that another restorer gave me, but never had it mixed to see if it was the same. Manxmans had chrome fenders so i dont understand getting the color off a fender?

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at February 24. 2010

Previously wrote:

Anna , I also have an original Manxman tank in the correct color blue (never painted - new old stock). somewhere have a paint mixture that another restorer gave me, but never had it mixed to see if it was the same. Manxmans had chrome fenders so i dont understand getting the color off a fender?

Hello steven  the colour was of a Norton Navigator 350twin 1962 as Norton paint them Polychromatic blue and dove gray too and also in 1962 only the Norton 650 stanard was in black frame and cycle parts with polychromatic blue tank 3-1/2 gallons , the mudguard was raped in factory paper and not been in the sun there paint loses its true colour we offed it up to my head lamp shell as removed the rim and lens, To my amazement it was the same shade and colour but I had used Lotus Pacific blue over a gold base and laquered it in thin coats so how good was that then ? spot on ?? not bad for a female ? EEH ? se-thei! lad ??

a bit of yorkshire talk ? Yours  Anna J Dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at February 24. 2010

Previously wrote:

Anna , I also have an original Manxman tank in the correct color blue (never painted - new old stock). somewhere have a paint mixture that another restorer gave me, but never had it mixed to see if it was the same. Manxmans had chrome fenders so i dont understand getting the color off a fender?

Hello steven if you"ed like to phone Me my number"s 01430 430831   or our forum at http://grou.ps/noc  heres pic for you

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by steven_phelps at February 25. 2010

Previously wrote:

Previously wrote:

Anna , I also have an original Manxman tank in the correct color blue (never painted - new old stock). somewhere have a paint mixture that another restorer gave me, but never had it mixed to see if it was the same. Manxmans had chrome fenders so i dont understand getting the color off a fender?

Hello steven  the colour was of a Norton Navigator 350twin 1962 as Norton paint them Polychromatic blue and dove gray too and also in 1962 only the Norton 650 stanard was in black frame and cycle parts with polychromatic blue tank 3-1/2 gallons , the mudguard was raped in factory paper and not been in the sun there paint loses its true colour we offed it up to my head lamp shell as removed the rim and lens, To my amazement it was the same shade and colour but I had used Lotus Pacific blue over a gold base and laquered it in thin coats so how good was that then ? spot on ?? not bad for a female ? EEH ? se-thei! lad ??

a bit of yorkshire talk ? Yours  Anna J Dixon

Anna,

Sorry, i meant no disrespect for your judgement or the colour. I was just so excited about the Manxman list and wanted to add things to help. I have never tried the formula . a gentleman had restored a Manxman and said it was the correct colour match . I can look for it if any are interested is all i meant to say. The Manxman model has never had much interest.  i think it's because of the blue. most of them were repainted black, mine may go the same route.  A friend of mine who was a Norton dealer said they were called the "blue behemoth" when new. years ago when the club did not have a photo of one for the old website i provided one . it was of the bike of the restorer that I mentioned above. Mine is still waiting for me to do something with it. I  had rebuilt the motor so it was placed  into a 62 Atlas  of mine that was in need of one. The 650 is a nice smooth runner, with enough power to suit me.  My Manxman came as a box of parts with quite a few missing...

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at February 26. 2010

Hello steven I know the blue paint scheme was an issue with some riders my one was in black when I bought It and was regsitiered 1962 witch was wrong ,As it was sent too the USA january 13th 1961 and we now know it was built in the dieing days of 1960 , I think that these Norton Manxman's as been over looked by all and they turn out to be a very good bike too ride I just love my one with its 2.1/2 gallon tank and brite red seat and it just sails round corners like they was not there at all ? and a nice riding stans for me,??As I am 6 foot tall , But with out this bikes development there be no  650ss or Atlas Or Commando ? I seems to me because lots of rides missed out on the Manxman no one was intrested ? now 50 years on we are now find out about the Norton that was Miss On and how really Good These Bike whore , more infomation is needed ?? Your Anna J Dixon  Keeping History alive ?? phone 01430430831  or email annajeannette@btinternet.com

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at March 03. 2010

hello too all at know of one Norton Manxman that will not be taken down the road for a nice ride as it been chopped up for scrap 18-97888 rest in peace ? Anna J Dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at March 25. 2010

Hello all NOCers  Norton Manxman owners wanted for my regsiter and maybe the NEC in November  Contact me  Anna J Dixon Secretary East yorkshire branch on 01430 430831 or email annajeannette@btinternet.com

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at March 28. 2010

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

Hello all NOCers  I Have Now been in touch with Norton Owner In New York State Looking forward for some more info on these Icoic Motorcycles   The 5oTh anniversary Of The Norton Manxman Is This Year  In November   So I hope we can get a show together of All the 1960s Norton twins and singles let say from 1960 to 1962 models the Glam years for Norton

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at June 02. 2010

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

Hello NOCers As a mater of intersrest I have a Parts Numbers manual for the Norton Manxman 650 dated November 20th 1960 the Book is from the USA By The Berliner Motor Corp , N.J  and contanes all the part numbers for the Norton Manxman 650 and prices list in $ dollores eg : part numbers 23174 and 23437 righthand and lefthand silencers  now very hard to find ??

Yours  Anna J Dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at July 05. 2010

Would All Owners Of Norton 650 Manxman  Register there machines  on the page  engine and frame numbers only  NO Motorcycle Registration All INFORMATION is looked after Yours

   Anna J Dixon    

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by adrian_gidney at July 07. 2010

Previously wrote:

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

hello anna,

I have Manxman serial number 18-93736, i also have an extra 650 engine (sorry dont have the number wrote down here) and a few other manxman extra parts.

Hi , i am guessing my engine is NOT a manxman , it has 14 on it and 98123 although it is within the time frame ? if it is you may add it to the register , sadly the frame definitely is not one , thanks. 

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by adrian_gidney at July 07. 2010

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

My rear guard is stainless steel , wide with shallow sides, is this manxman please ?

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at July 09. 2010

Previously wrote:

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

My rear guard is stainless steel , wide with shallow sides, is this manxman please ?

hello!!!   In a Word NO !!! Is A Patent OnE   Yours  AnnA J Dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by benjamin_gradler at August 21. 2010

Currently I have a 1961 Norton Manxman which has the matching engine and frame numbers of  93603. It is currently needing restoration and is in a basket. Factory records show it to be the third Manxman built, and thus the third Norton 650 made also. It was of a batch of the first twenty shipped to U.S. distributor Berliner. It's engine is stamped with the production number "2".

 I used to have another Norton Manxman that I rode for years but sold a while back, it was also in the 936xx number range, a friend of my father's bought it new in April 1961.

 I have a handful of extra Manxman engines with numbers ranging from 93xxx through 95xxx.

 A lot of people get the Manxman and the 650ss bikes confused with each other, but there is a simple way to tell them apart. Around back of the engine cases by the breather exit 650 Manxman bikes will be stamped with a "65" or "65C", where any 1962 650ss bike will be plainly stamped "650ss" in the same area. I have a 62' 650ss bike and also a 62' 88ss bike I can look at directly, and I have seen a number of Manxman, 650ss and 88ss crankcases from 1961 through 1962 that all met this criteria.

 Though the Manxman bikes were being built at the Norton factory in late 1960, they were a 1961 model for sure and advertised as such. I talked with a former employee of the Norton experimental department and he said that they were in a big hurry to get the Manxman finished and to the U.S. distributor  for the beginning of the 1961 model year. They could not wait for a regular supplier to provide exhaust system parts by that time so they took matters into their own hands and made them right in-house at the Norton works, thus the exhaust and mufflers that were unique to the blue American speck Manxman, the mufflers having a horizontal seam on the outside. The right exhaust pipe had a kink inward in it at the level where the tachometer cable would pass by it if fitted. Later Norton dominators did not have this kink and the cable rested much more forcefully against the pipe!

 My factory original early 1961 Manxman was completely blue except for the rear tailight/numberplate holder which was black, and this anomaly can be seen in early sales literature for the bikes.

 The Manxman had small 376 dual Amal carburetors of 1 1/16" bore. There were steel sleeves pressed into the intake ports of the cylinder head on them to reduce the intake port to the size of the carburetors. This setup gives fabulous torque in the low and mid-range of operation. I pulled the sleeves out of my Manxman once and it destroyed the torque qualities that the engine had as-built, so I put them right back in and enjoyed it as is.

  Apart from the cosmetic differences, the Manxman is basically a 650ss, it's engine is to SS specification having 9:1 compression and dual carburetors. Some books etc. say the Manxman had 8.3 compression and list 9:1 for the 650ss bikes, but I have personally dismantled original, standard-bore Manxman and early 650ss engines and all the parts are identical, so there is an error there. Probably the factory thought about 8.3:1 in pre-production and settled on something else.

 Some of the very late blue American Norton Manxman bikes did come through with black seats instead of red ones. The Norton dealer for them in Atlanta, Georgia who is a Manxman owner himself saying they received these black upholstered Manxmans later on. The first 650ss and Norton 750cc Atlas bikes sold in the United States had the small tank and complimenting body parts of the Norton Manxman but where all black with black seats and silver tanks.

 Another unique feature of the early 650 Manxman that was not on the 1962 650ss bikes, was that the Manxman had an additional breather installed on the rear tappet cover. It was incorporated into the hold-down bolt with a special banjo fitting. This breather and the rear crankcase breather were both routed straight downward in black rubber tubing onto the ground in front of the rear tire! Which I first became aware of when my Manxman went sideways around a highway on-ramp. I quickly re-routed it back along the fender to empty BEHIND the rear tire.

 Thanks for your time. 

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at August 29. 2010

Previously wrote:

Currently I have a 1961 Norton Manxman which has the matching engine and frame numbers of  93603. It is currently needing restoration and is in a basket. Factory records show it to be the third Manxman built, and thus the third Norton 650 made also. It was of a batch of the first twenty shipped to U.S. distributor Berliner. It's engine is stamped with the production number "2".

 I used to have another Norton Manxman that I rode for years but sold a while back, it was also in the 936xx number range, a friend of my father's bought it new in April 1961.

 I have a handful of extra Manxman engines with numbers ranging from 93xxx through 95xxx.

 A lot of people get the Manxman and the 650ss bikes confused with each other, but there is a simple way to tell them apart. Around back of the engine cases by the breather exit 650 Manxman bikes will be stamped with a "65" or "65C", where any 1962 650ss bike will be plainly stamped "650ss" in the same area. I have a 62' 650ss bike and also a 62' 88ss bike I can look at directly, and I have seen a number of Manxman, 650ss and 88ss crankcases from 1961 through 1962 that all met this criteria.

 Though the Manxman bikes were being built at the Norton factory in late 1960, they were a 1961 model for sure and advertised as such. I talked with a former employee of the Norton experimental department and he said that they were in a big hurry to get the Manxman finished and to the U.S. distributor  for the beginning of the 1961 model year. They could not wait for a regular supplier to provide exhaust system parts by that time so they took matters into their own hands and made them right in-house at the Norton works, thus the exhaust and mufflers that were unique to the blue American speck Manxman, the mufflers having a horizontal seam on the outside. The right exhaust pipe had a kink inward in it at the level where the tachometer cable would pass by it if fitted. Later Norton dominators did not have this kink and the cable rested much more forcefully against the pipe!

 My factory original early 1961 Manxman was completely blue except for the rear tailight/numberplate holder which was black, and this anomaly can be seen in early sales literature for the bikes.

 The Manxman had small 376 dual Amal carburetors of 1 1/16" bore. There were steel sleeves pressed into the intake ports of the cylinder head on them to reduce the intake port to the size of the carburetors. This setup gives fabulous torque in the low and mid-range of operation. I pulled the sleeves out of my Manxman once and it destroyed the torque qualities that the engine had as-built, so I put them right back in and enjoyed it as is.

  Apart from the cosmetic differences, the Manxman is basically a 650ss, it's engine is to SS specification having 9:1 compression and dual carburetors. Some books etc. say the Manxman had 8.3 compression and list 9:1 for the 650ss bikes, but I have personally dismantled original, standard-bore Manxman and early 650ss engines and all the parts are identical, so there is an error there. Probably the factory thought about 8.3:1 in pre-production and settled on something else.

 Some of the very late blue American Norton Manxman bikes did come through with black seats instead of red ones. The Norton dealer for them in Atlanta, Georgia who is a Manxman owner himself saying they received these black upholstered Manxmans later on. The first 650ss and Norton 750cc Atlas bikes sold in the United States had the small tank and complimenting body parts of the Norton Manxman but where all black with black seats and silver tanks.

 Another unique feature of the early 650 Manxman that was not on the 1962 650ss bikes, was that the Manxman had an additional breather installed on the rear tappet cover. It was incorporated into the hold-down bolt with a special banjo fitting. This breather and the rear crankcase breather were both routed straight downward in black rubber tubing onto the ground in front of the rear tire! Which I first became aware of when my Manxman went sideways around a highway on-ramp. I quickly re-routed it back along the fender to empty BEHIND the rear tire.

 Thanks for your time.

 

 Hello Ben  I have Number 95069 norton workshop number 288 built 28 december 1960 shipped to New York on 13 january 1961 along with 350 machines ,it as spent 38 years in the USA  Now back in The UK  Yorkshire  rebuilt by a woman thats me Anna J Dixon but I would like to buy a pair of origanal muffler if you know where there is some for sale , And I would be interstead in more information on this iconic motorcycle THE Norton Manxman 650  will be 50 years old and littel is written about it ,And I would be interstead in the engine & frame Numbers of Your Machines for my Norton Manxman redgister if you please !  Phone 01430 430 831  any time  Yours  Anna J Dixon Secretary  East Yorkshire Branch

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 14. 2011

Previously wrote:

Would All Owners Of Norton 650 Manxman  Register there machines  on the page  engine and frame numbers only  NO Motorcycle Registration All INFORMATION is looked after Yours

   Anna J Dixon    

hello to all interstead partys the First Norton Manxman to be built  was on November 7th 1960  engine&frame Number 18-93601  on the front left hand side of the crankcases,and  stamped above the brether was. 001 .65

65 0R 65C means 650   001 Means the first machine and was numbers follow on from there Like My Machine is Number 288    so that 18-95xxx .65C.288 .  Yours Anna J Dixon    Registration keeper all engine & frame numbers are kept  confessional  Yours Anna J Dixon Secretary East Yorkshire Branch   Phone 01430430831 any time after 6pm or Email annajeannette@btinternet.com

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 15. 2011

Previously wrote:

Currently I have a 1961 Norton Manxman which has the matching engine and frame numbers of  93603. It is currently needing restoration and is in a basket. Factory records show it to be the third Manxman built, and thus the third Norton 650 made also. It was of a batch of the first twenty shipped to U.S. distributor Berliner. It's engine is stamped with the production number "2".

 I used to have another Norton Manxman that I rode for years but sold a while back, it was also in the 936xx number range, a friend of my father's bought it new in April 1961.

 I have a handful of extra Manxman engines with numbers ranging from 93xxx through 95xxx.

 A lot of people get the Manxman and the 650ss bikes confused with each other, but there is a simple way to tell them apart. Around back of the engine cases by the breather exit 650 Manxman bikes will be stamped with a "65" or "65C", where any 1962 650ss bike will be plainly stamped "650ss" in the same area. I have a 62' 650ss bike and also a 62' 88ss bike I can look at directly, and I have seen a number of Manxman, 650ss and 88ss crankcases from 1961 through 1962 that all met this criteria.

 Though the Manxman bikes were being built at the Norton factory in late 1960, they were a 1961 model for sure and advertised as such. I talked with a former employee of the Norton experimental department and he said that they were in a big hurry to get the Manxman finished and to the U.S. distributor  for the beginning of the 1961 model year. They could not wait for a regular supplier to provide exhaust system parts by that time so they took matters into their own hands and made them right in-house at the Norton works, thus the exhaust and mufflers that were unique to the blue American speck Manxman, the mufflers having a horizontal seam on the outside. The right exhaust pipe had a kink inward in it at the level where the tachometer cable would pass by it if fitted. Later Norton dominators did not have this kink and the cable rested much more forcefully against the pipe!

 My factory original early 1961 Manxman was completely blue except for the rear tailight/numberplate holder which was black, and this anomaly can be seen in early sales literature for the bikes.

 The Manxman had small 376 dual Amal carburetors of 1 1/16" bore. There were steel sleeves pressed into the intake ports of the cylinder head on them to reduce the intake port to the size of the carburetors. This setup gives fabulous torque in the low and mid-range of operation. I pulled the sleeves out of my Manxman once and it destroyed the torque qualities that the engine had as-built, so I put them right back in and enjoyed it as is.

  Apart from the cosmetic differences, the Manxman is basically a 650ss, it's engine is to SS specification having 9:1 compression and dual carburetors. Some books etc. say the Manxman had 8.3 compression and list 9:1 for the 650ss bikes, but I have personally dismantled original, standard-bore Manxman and early 650ss engines and all the parts are identical, so there is an error there. Probably the factory thought about 8.3:1 in pre-production and settled on something else.

 Some of the very late blue American Norton Manxman bikes did come through with black seats instead of red ones. The Norton dealer for them in Atlanta, Georgia who is a Manxman owner himself saying they received these black upholstered Manxmans later on. The first 650ss and Norton 750cc Atlas bikes sold in the United States had the small tank and complimenting body parts of the Norton Manxman but where all black with black seats and silver tanks.

 Another unique feature of the early 650 Manxman that was not on the 1962 650ss bikes, was that the Manxman had an additional breather installed on the rear tappet cover. It was incorporated into the hold-down bolt with a special banjo fitting. This breather and the rear crankcase breather were both routed straight downward in black rubber tubing onto the ground in front of the rear tire! Which I first became aware of when my Manxman went sideways around a highway on-ramp. I quickly re-routed it back along the fender to empty BEHIND the rear tire.

 Thanks for your time.

 helo ben You not been writing to us ,Well As for your norton manxman its number 002.65 18-96303 was built on november 7th 1960 with the frist one and 30 other machines on that day ,My one is number 288.65C 18-950xx built on december 28th 1960 dispached on the 13th january 1961 shipped to New York ? and it spent 38 years in the USA Before being shipped back tothe UK october 1998 for there is was regsitiered in the UK 1998 with age related number ,Yours  Anna J Dixon    Ps Still loking for some muffers for it?

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by paul_webb at January 15. 2011

Previously wrote:

Previously wrote:

Would All Owners Of Norton 650 Manxman  Register there machines  on the page  engine and frame numbers only  NO Motorcycle Registration All INFORMATION is looked after Yours

   Anna J Dixon    

hello to all interstead partys the First Norton Manxman to be built  was on November 7th 1960  engine&frame Number 18-93601  on the front left hand side of the crankcases,and  stamped above the brether was. 001 .65

65 0R 65C means 650   001 Means the first machine and was numbers follow on from there Like My Machine is Number 288    so that 18-95xxx .65C.288 .  Yours Anna J Dixon    Registration keeper all engine & frame numbers are kept  confessional  Yours Anna J Dixon Secretary East Yorkshire Branch   Phone 01430430831 any time after 6pm or Email annajeannette@btinternet.com

Anna, does that mean you are going to take all the frame and engine numbers to the local Priest?  I take it you meant confidential?

A previous member stated that you should write your comments on word first with spell check. It would make your comments easier to read. Regards, Paul. 

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 18. 2011

hello paul yes I think I will take all the engine and frame number to a priest ? he may bless them ? and learn me how to spell ? Yours  Anna J Dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at February 21. 2011

Previously wrote:

Hello steven I know the blue paint scheme was an issue with some riders my one was in black when I bought It and was regsitiered 1962 witch was wrong ,As it was sent too the USA january 13th 1961 and we now know it was built in the dieing days of 1960 , I think that these Norton Manxman's as been over looked by all and they turn out to be a very good bike too ride I just love my one with its 2.1/2 gallon tank and brite red seat and it just sails round corners like they was not there at all ? and a nice riding stans for me,??As I am 6 foot tall , But with out this bikes development there be no  650ss or Atlas Or Commando ? I seems to me because lots of rides missed out on the Manxman no one was intrested ? now 50 years on we are now find out about the Norton that was Miss On and how really Good These Bike whore , more infomation is needed ?? Your Anna J Dixon  Keeping History alive ?? phone 01430430831  or email annajeannette@btinternet.com

hello to all aother norton manxman is alive and keeping warm in Anders Larsson Nice Big Workshop with some 8 othe norton motorcycles too keep it company ? and its one of 25 sent too Swenden And it all as it was when New ? and it a red seat with white piping ? So what I was told was the wrong information ,I was told that thay did not have the white piping round the seat ? yours anna j dixon

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at April 08. 2011

Previously wrote:

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

Hello NOCers As a mater of intersrest I have a Parts Numbers manual for the Norton Manxman 650 dated November 20th 1960 the Book is from the USA By The Berliner Motor Corp , N.J  and contanes all the part numbers for the Norton Manxman 650 and prices list in $ dollores eg : part numbers 23174 and 23437 righthand and lefthand silencers  now very hard to find ??

Yours  Anna j  Dixon                                               

Hell To All Nocers   I have Now Got Hold Of Two Silencers  Parts Numbers  23174 and 23437 ??

And all two more Norton Manxmans In Sweden ??  yours  anna j

                                                                                                                                                                                      

 

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at July 30. 2011

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

 

Hello all just lately Norton Manxman Motorcycle's Have been coming out of the woodwork, I just had 3 mails from owners Telling me about there machines  ? keep it up Lads We may find all of them yet ?  And some of these bikes Maybe for Sale I keep you posted If any one maybe interested in buying one ? yours AJD

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at August 19. 2012

Previously wrote:

Hello to all Members who own a Norton Manxman built between  November 1960 to October 1961. I am starting a register for these very rare motorcycles so all data would be helpful! 

Yours 

Anna Jeannette Dixon

Hello to all Now we have  Dates from Norton Factory records , thank to Christ Streather And Dave Catton and there Team They have done all the research many thanks to them , I can now Tell you the was 654 Machine built from November 7th 1960 to September 1961   All Manxman's where Stamp marked 65 or 65C  and them the workshop number start at 1   the very first machine was pulled from the line and stamp marked later with workshop number 7  it has engine and frame Number 18-93601   there were 30 machines built on that same day from 18-93602 to 18-93629  so there we have it   Yours      Anna J Dixon                                                                   

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by benjamin_gradler at August 21. 2012

     This may not be the last word on this subject. First of all you have to define what you consider a "Manxman". There may have been 654 650cc Norton motorcycles made from November 60' through September 61', but they were not all USA spec machines with blue paint, small tanks and "cowhorn" handlebars. I sent the numbers from a Norton that was stamped "650ss" on the crankcases and had an engine production number in the 500 range to Mr. Catton and he said it was not marked as a 650ss in the factory record, so the factory was making entries in the records of Model 18 Nortons and not marking down what model or specification they were built to.

     I am sure there may have been 654 650cc Norton motorcycles built by the end of September 1961, but this included all models of 650cc Nortons including the SS, Standard, Deluxe and machines painted blue etc. to appeal to the American "Cowboys". 

      Factory records and notes and comments made by former Norton employees such as John Hudson and Peter Roydhouse, along with what is cast, stamped and machined into hard vintage Norton parts are going to provide information that can be interpreted with common sense and intelligence by some, or that can be "Twisted" and Spun to back up and embellish  the wishes and fantasies that certain interpreters want to hear, and the latter happens much more often than the former unfortunately......

 

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at August 21. 2012

Previously wrote:

     This may not be the last word on this subject. First of all you have to define what you consider a "Manxman". There may have been 654 650cc Norton motorcycles made from November 60' through September 61', but they were not all USA spec machines with blue paint, small tanks and "cowhorn" handlebars. I sent the numbers from a Norton that was stamped "650ss" on the crankcases and had an engine production number in the 500 range to Mr. Catton and he said it was not marked as a 650ss in the factory record, so the factory was making entries in the records of Model 18 Nortons and not marking down what model or specification they were built to.

     I am sure there may have been 654 650cc Norton motorcycles built by the end of September 1961, but this included all models of 650cc Nortons including the SS, Standard, Deluxe and machines painted blue etc. to appeal to the American "Cowboys". 

      Factory records and notes and comments made by former Norton employees such as John Hudson and Peter Roydhouse, along with what is cast, stamped and machined into hard vintage Norton parts are going to provide information that can be interpreted with common sense and intelligence by some, or that can be "Twisted" and Spun to back up and embellish  the wishes and fantasies that certain interpreters want to hear, and the latter happens much more often than the former unfortunately......

 Hello Ben this number is for Manxman Only  The 650ss came after September 61 as did the Standard and de-lux machines   There was some 50 650s sent in 1966 as model 99 now this got me scratching my head here  Can you put any more light on this !    Yours AJD

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by benjamin_gradler at August 22. 2012

Anna: If according to you the last Manxman engine has a build number of 654, and there is a 650ss with an engine build number in the 500 range, then that throws your theory in the trash bin. Those first 654 Model 18 650cc Norton Dominators were not all blue USA Manxmans, and apparently some 650ss bikes were not marked as "650ss" in the factory record.

And if that is the case, you simply can not do what you and your friends have done, which is look at the production of all 650cc Dominators before the first notation of one in the factory records and ASSUME what all 650cc machines previous to that mark were.

  YOU and a few others here are champions at pronouncing assumptions and guesswork as facts.

  I stand behind what I said in my last paragraph. There was a 650ss with a serial number in the 995xx range with an engine stamped "650ss" and a engine build number in the 500s that was not recorded as a 650ss in the factory records, and if there was one, then there easily could have been more than one, and that makes your statement null and void.

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by colin_sharpe at August 22. 2012

I have Manxman no. 94507.  It is now a cafe racer with rear sets, clip-ons, 5 gallon racing tank, racing style seat, alloy rims and Commando front disk brake.  Not at all original, but still a Manxman.

Re: The Norton Manxman Register

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at August 22. 2012

Previously wrote:

Anna: If according to you the last Manxman engine has a build number of 654, and there is a 650ss with an engine build number in the 500 range, then that throws your theory in the trash bin. Those first 654 Model 18 650cc Norton Dominators were not all blue USA Manxmans, and apparently some 650ss bikes were not marked as "650ss" in the factory record.

And if that is the case, you simply can not do what you and your friends have done, which is look at the production of all 650cc Dominators before the first notation of one in the factory records and ASSUME what all 650cc machines previous to that mark were.

  YOU and a few others here are champions at pronouncing assumptions and guesswork as facts.

  I stand behind what I said in my last paragraph. There was a 650ss with a serial number in the 995xx range with an engine stamped "650ss" and a engine build number in the 500s that was not recorded as a 650ss in the factory records, and if there was one, then there easily could have been more than one, and that makes your statement null and void.

 

Hello Ben   the manxman model were marked with the number 65 or 65C   being custom type Machines  The 650SS   Sports Machines    650 stamp mark Standard Machines ,most of these sent to the EU , 18D De-notes  650 De-lux Machines    the 650SS  Standard and De-Lux models came in around late August to early September 1961  

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