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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by peter_mcevoy at May 13. 2018

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

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Pete

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by richard_hudson1 at May 13. 2018

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

--

Pete

Hi Pete, you may have a lot to learn but just by asking the question you are half way there.

I would advise purchasing a parts list and workshop manual for the bike and a set of Whitworth spanners. Any metric or a/f spanners you have will only damage hexagon heads. There are also plenty of books available covering complete rebuilds, read about it first.

Then start by sorting all the bits and reassemble everything you can, if any major parts are missing it gives you an early start at procurement. i.e. the seat isn't off that model.

Why was it stripped down? did it have a major engine or gearbox malfunction. If so and you don't feel confident there are professional rebuilders.

I will give you a clue though, the pair of rear light/indicators aren't off that bike.
You won't be the first or last novice to attempt it and joining the N.O.C. was a good start and always plenty of help available here on the forum

Regards and best of luck,

Dick

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by peter_mcevoy at May 13. 2018

Hi Dick.

Thank you for your reply.

I believe the bike was dismantled to facilitate transport. It was running prior to this (mid 80s).

Will order those spanners tonight, cheers!

I attach a pic of other parts I have.

--

Pete

 

 

Previously richard_hudson1 wrote:

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

--

Pete

Hi Pete, you may have a lot to learn but just by asking the question you are half way there.

I would advise purchasing a parts list and workshop manual for the bike and a set of Whitworth spanners. Any metric or a/f spanners you have will only damage hexagon heads. There are also plenty of books available covering complete rebuilds, read about it first.

Then start by sorting all the bits and reassemble everything you can, if any major parts are missing it gives you an early start at procurement. i.e. the seat isn't off that model.

Why was it stripped down? did it have a major engine or gearbox malfunction. If so and you don't feel confident there are professional rebuilders.

I will give you a clue though, the pair of rear light/indicators aren't off that bike.
You won't be the first or last novice to attempt it and joining the N.O.C. was a good start and always plenty of help available here on the forum

Regards and best of luck,

Dick

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by David Cooper at May 13. 2018

Vital bed time reading - "Norton Twins Restoration" by Bacon.  I'm pretty sure it's available from Andover Norton.  It isn't a workshop manual, but has loads of useful information and lots of photos and specification data that the manuals don't necessarily have.

The Haynes Dominator manual is now a facsimile and not a proper print so sometimes it isn't very clear.  And if you do get inside the engine, the crankshaft nut torque values are wrong (it says 35 but they should be 25).

But it'll be worth it!

 

The rear shock absorbers look wrong (Mathless maybe) but you'll need new ones anyway.

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at May 13. 2018

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi Dick.

Thank you for your reply.

I believe the bike was dismantled to facilitate transport. It was running prior to this (mid 80s).

Will order those spanners tonight, cheers!

I attach a pic of other parts I have.

--

Pete

 

 

Previously richard_hudson1 wrote:

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

--

Pete

Hi Pete, you may have a lot to learn but just by asking the question you are half way there.

I would advise purchasing a parts list and workshop manual for the bike and a set of Whitworth spanners. Any metric or a/f spanners you have will only damage hexagon heads. There are also plenty of books available covering complete rebuilds, read about it first.

Then start by sorting all the bits and reassemble everything you can, if any major parts are missing it gives you an early start at procurement. i.e. the seat isn't off that model.

Why was it stripped down? did it have a major engine or gearbox malfunction. If so and you don't feel confident there are professional rebuilders.

I will give you a clue though, the pair of rear light/indicators aren't off that bike.
You won't be the first or last novice to attempt it and joining the N.O.C. was a good start and always plenty of help available here on the forum

Regards and best of luck,

Dick

Hello from what I have seen there is 98% of a motorcycle there this should be an easy one to rebuild, as I rebuilt  a lot worse  Now  running again  and I had to make my own mudguards   I do know a very good Chromer that will turn them rusty exhausts  into nice shiny ones, not many with touch exhausts    see Quality Chrome  Hull  these guys are the best  in the county  has for you paint work I have a lite of  Paint left polychromatic Grey the motor and gearbox will need a stipped  and new R&M bearing fitted  and shell bearing see the club for shell brearings  they heve the originals  wiring harness from Alan Gaggs Notts, Wheels,    Central wheels Brimingham  are the best     your  anna j

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at May 13. 2018

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi Dick.

Thank you for your reply.

I believe the bike was dismantled to facilitate transport. It was running prior to this (mid 80s).

Will order those spanners tonight, cheers!

I attach a pic of other parts I have.

--

Pete

 

 

Previously richard_hudson1 wrote:

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

--

Pete

Hi Pete, you may have a lot to learn but just by asking the question you are half way there.

I would advise purchasing a parts list and workshop manual for the bike and a set of Whitworth spanners. Any metric or a/f spanners you have will only damage hexagon heads. There are also plenty of books available covering complete rebuilds, read about it first.

Then start by sorting all the bits and reassemble everything you can, if any major parts are missing it gives you an early start at procurement. i.e. the seat isn't off that model.

Why was it stripped down? did it have a major engine or gearbox malfunction. If so and you don't feel confident there are professional rebuilders.

I will give you a clue though, the pair of rear light/indicators aren't off that bike.
You won't be the first or last novice to attempt it and joining the N.O.C. was a good start and always plenty of help available here on the forum

Regards and best of luck,

Dick

Hello from what I have seen there is 98% of a motorcycle there this should be an easy one to rebuild, as I rebuilt  a lot worse  Now  running again  and I had to make my own mudguards   I do know a very good Chromer that will turn them rusty exhausts  into nice shiny ones, not many with touch exhausts    see Quality Chrome  Hull  these guys are the best  in the county  has for you paint work I have a lite of  Paint left polychromatic Grey the motor and gearbox will need a stipped  and new R&M bearing fitted  and shell bearing see the club for shell brearings  they heve the originals  wiring harness from Alan Gaggs Notts, Wheels,    Central wheels Brimingham  are the best     your  anna j

this Norton dominator model 88 of 1954 vintage  was found in a shed in cardboard boxes  bits everywhere,  a big jigsaw puzzle  and most of the tin wear was missing  that took the time of getting the right parts or making them     yours  anna J

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by richard_hudson1 at May 14. 2018

Previously David Cooper wrote:

Vital bed time reading - "Norton Twins Restoration" by Bacon.  I'm pretty sure it's available from Andover Norton.  It isn't a workshop manual, but has loads of useful information and lots of photos and specification data that the manuals don't necessarily have.

The Haynes Dominator manual is now a facsimile and not a proper print so sometimes it isn't very clear.  And if you do get inside the engine, the crankshaft nut torque values are wrong (it says 35 but they should be 25).

But it'll be worth it!

 

The rear shock absorbers look wrong (Mathless maybe) but you'll need new ones anyway.

Hi David,

The shock absorbers are correct, my February 1957 99 has the same. they are Armstrong and were fitted (supposedly) until they changed at the end of 1956. There was obviously surplus in stock so the continued fitting them into early 1957.

I agree whole heartedly with your bedtime reading and torque correction data.

Regards,

Dick

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by jonathan_newton at May 15. 2018

I think the Armstrong  shockers are right too..  I had them on mine.   Anna thats a lovely ride you have there.  Are you missing and underslug side light or did they not all have one?

 

Here is mine...  without the armstrongs as I thought they were wrong and sold them...  Doh!!

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by peter_mcevoy at May 20. 2018

Thanks for the comments everyone. Those are really nice bikes Anna and Jonathan!

My dad says everything is original apart from some part of the exhaust. He gave me the log book today, it hasn't been registered since 1964 - Does anyone know if this means I won't be able to use original reg?

Edit: the lights aren't original as pointed out, not sure what the story is with them, they look reasonably new.

Thank you

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by George Phillips at May 21. 2018

Two very good books are: Classic Motorcycle Restoration and Maintenance by Nigel Clarke and Classic Motorcycle Electrics Manual by James Smith. Both very useful with the electrics one being superb.

George

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at May 29. 2018

Previously jonathan_newton wrote:

I think the Armstrong  shockers are right too..  I had them on mine.   Anna thats a lovely ride you have there.  Are you missing and underslug side light or did they not all have one?

 

Here is mine...  without the armstrongs as I thought they were wrong and sold them...  Doh!!

 

this 1954 dominator was  one that me and a friend bob rebuilt many moons ago  Bob passed away with heart  failure    in York Hospital  He left his Norton with me for storage for some 2 years  until his estate was sorted out, and now is been sold on, but  the 1954 domie   I have is the same  spec  all new  parts fitted  cost an arm and a leg my spend to date  is some were around £4950,  and a lot of hours  doing it but Its runs nice just the tank and chain guard to  sort  and some wiring  to do but we get there  and I rebuilt my Manxman as well its now runing nice  just a wire or two to fit  and the primary chaincase to make oil tight  and the foot rest to fit and tank and seat,  then its off the post office to get both bikes  registered  for mot exsemption , but I will go to see Mr Petty  at our Local MOT station for him to give the bikes the once over se if I have missed anything,  we must have our machnies safe before we get to ride them on the open road  and they need gently running in with care,   Diamond Chains  fitted Made in the USA the Chain man says there really good  RGM motors Has them in Stock  there not easy to find,  I have a spare  just in case,    PS  Armstrong untis  were made  in Beverley east riding of yorkshire   and  Gold top Boots and leathers were made  In Kingstone upon Hull   top Qualtiy Stuff comes from east yorkshire     the best chrome's in the UK   Quality Chrome   Kingstone Upon Hull         yours   anna j

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by richard_hudson1 at May 30. 2018

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

--

Pete

Hi Peter, if you have decided to go ahead with the project email me on dick@rchudson.co.uk as I have a spares manual plus other stuff I can send you. I don't like putting home address on the site.

Regards

 

Dick

 

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by Philip Ham at May 31. 2018

Peter,

The headlight on the 1956 models were different and have been nick-named the "gas mask", as the instrument panel looked similar to a gas mask. It is a Lucas model MCH58, and seemed to only be fitted to Nortons and Panthers in 1956.  The difference is that the instrument panel is detachable, where as in 1957 and later, the instrument panel was part of the headlight pressing.

I have an original MCH58 headlight unit if you need any photos for reference. See the attachment.

Regards, Philip

 

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by peter_mcevoy at June 03. 2018

Previously Philip Ham wrote:

Peter,

The headlight on the 1956 models were different and have been nick-named the "gas mask", as the instrument panel looked similar to a gas mask. It is a Lucas model MCH58, and seemed to only be fitted to Nortons and Panthers in 1956.  The difference is that the instrument panel is detachable, where as in 1957 and later, the instrument panel was part of the headlight pressing.

I have an original MCH58 headlight unit if you need any photos for reference. See the attachment.

Regards, Philip

 

Hi Philip.

Thank you for your response. I have the proper headlight I think. The speedo is still in it and it has the black knob which I presume toggles light. It does have an empty cavity on the top right side - is that water level?

 

I will undoubtedly take you up on your generous offer at some point in the future.

 

Thank you.

Pete

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by peter_mcevoy at June 03. 2018

Hi Dick.

 

Email sent, thank you!

I am absolutely going ahead with it. Have moved the bike into the front room so it wont be out of my mind!

 

https://imgur.com/a/BM4mvEf

Cheers!

Pete

Previously richard_hudson1 wrote:

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Hi.

I would like to restore my fathers Dominator 99. It has been in a shed for over 30 years but most parts are there, though perhaps in less than perfect condition.

I am not exactly experienced at bike restoration. I can take apart and rebuild my 95 puch korado, that's about it.

My question is, given my lack of experience, is it unrealistic to attempt this? I'm not in a rush, and am interested to learn.

Pic attached.

Thank you.

--

Pete

Hi Peter, if you have decided to go ahead with the project email me on dick@rchudson.co.uk as I have a spares manual plus other stuff I can send you. I don't like putting home address on the site.

Regards

 

Dick

 

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by Philip Ham at June 03. 2018

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Previously Philip Ham wrote:

Peter,

The headlight on the 1956 models were different and have been nick-named the "gas mask", as the instrument panel looked similar to a gas mask. It is a Lucas model MCH58, and seemed to only be fitted to Nortons and Panthers in 1956.  The difference is that the instrument panel is detachable, where as in 1957 and later, the instrument panel was part of the headlight pressing.

I have an original MCH58 headlight unit if you need any photos for reference. See the attachment.

Regards, Philip

 

Hi Philip.

Thank you for your response. I have the proper headlight I think. The speedo is still in it and it has the black knob which I presume toggles light. It does have an empty cavity on the top right side - is that water level?

 

I will undoubtedly take you up on your generous offer at some point in the future.

 

Thank you.

Pete

Pete,

The left side is the lighting switch, the right side is the ammeter and the hole in the centre is for a Lucas emblem i.e. lion hold in lighted torch (I think).  The little badges are available in the NOC spares scheme, if my memory serves me right.

Regards, Philip

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by ron_tomkins at July 27. 2018

Previously Philip Ham wrote:

Previously peter_mcevoy wrote:

Previously Philip Ham wrote:

Peter,

The headlight on the 1956 models were different and have been nick-named the "gas mask", as the instrument panel looked similar to a gas mask. It is a Lucas model MCH58, and seemed to only be fitted to Nortons and Panthers in 1956.  The difference is that the instrument panel is detachable, where as in 1957 and later, the instrument panel was part of the headlight pressing.

I have an original MCH58 headlight unit if you need any photos for reference. See the attachment.

Regards, Philip

 

Hi Philip.

Thank you for your response. I have the proper headlight I think. The speedo is still in it and it has the black knob which I presume toggles light. It does have an empty cavity on the top right side - is that water level?

 

I will undoubtedly take you up on your generous offer at some point in the future.

 

Thank you.

Pete

Pete,

The left side is the lighting switch, the right side is the ammeter and the hole in the centre is for a Lucas emblem i.e. lion hold in lighted torch (I think).  The little badges are available in the NOC spares scheme, if my memory serves me right.

Regards, Philip

 

Hi Pete. I have just hooked into your posts and we are both in a similar position. I have just started on the restoration trail of the 1956 Dommie 99 that I last owned in 1959. (recently found it on e Bay) I would be most interested in any hints and info that you may come across and I would be particularly interested in the parts list that you were offered.

Good luck with the build, I have asked er indoors if I can bring my bike into the lounge but she wasn't too keen. How did you do that?

Regards, Ron

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by michael_sullivan at July 27. 2018

Ron:

Those are some pretty serious clop-ons there.

Can your back stand them?

Mike

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by ron_tomkins at September 14. 2018

Previously michael_sullivan wrote:

Ron:

Those are some pretty serious clop-ons there.

Can your back stand them?

Mike

Hi Mike. Sorry never to have replied, I have only just this minute come accross your post. Your thoughts on the clip ons matched mine to a tee. Being the wrong side of 75 I would suspect that the answer to your question is almost definitely no. A trip to John o Groats is definitely out but I may manage a ring ride or two at thelocal shows. Best regards Ron.

Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at September 14. 2018

hello well you have a better start then I had with my 54 domie  all I got was engine and frame  matching  numbers a tool tray and oil tank  and forks  everything else I had to find  and I do not have money to throw  at it, so I have very slowly rebuilt the bike from the ground up  your is easy compared with what I had to get,  and 54 model 88 parts are thin on the ground,  and even ended up making my own rear mudguard which took months to do, as you cannot buy them any more,  your mudguards are being made  look on eBay es2 mudguards,  you see there wideline  with the life up tail peace,   and I have enough paint   to respray your twice over,  I resprayed both my Norton,   yours anna j

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Re: 1956 Dominator 99 restoration

Posted by ian_legg at September 15. 2018

Hi Peter, I’m on my second Norton full resteration first being a 500 Model 7 now on display at Beaulieu museum,  the one I’m finishing now is a 1959 model 99. During this time I have had lots of conversations with lots of knowledgable people and sorted through loads of conflicting information. From this I have a good documented database of the Dominator engine and gear boxes. I would be more than willing to assist in any way I can. Where are you based in the UK? Ian

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