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Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at July 07. 2018

I ran across a fraudulent ad showing my bike that is featured all over the net. If you search for the image on google, you can find it worldwide. When I advertised my bike for sale on San Francisco Craigslist, I posted photos that the scammer is now using in his ad. I sold the bike to a friend and it is definitely not for sale. The bogus seller may even be able to show a title but it is not valid.

Michael Rettie

Alameda, California

http://www.wdnorton.nl/trade_page.htm

https://www.racebikemart.com/adverts/1961_Norton_ES2_Featherbed_500_Single__1511443680.php

http://www.classic-british-motorcycles.com/motorcycles-for-sale.html

https://www.classicbritishspares.com/pages/motorcycles-for-sale

https://vintagemotorcyclesnz.wordpress.com/for-sale/

http://www.antiqueslink.com/antiques/es2-featherbed-antiques-4bba05.html

Attached is my photo that is being used in these ads.

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Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at July 07. 2018

As I have contacted the various webmasters to have these ads removed, it has become clear to me how easy it would be to scam someone into sending money to make a deposit on an interesting bike using purloined photos. I'm not sure how the website administrators can deal with this but potential buyers should exercise extreme caution before sending money to anyone. One of the ads was on the USNOA website where I guess they let non-members post ads.

Caveat emptor!

Mike

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by michael_sullivan at July 07. 2018

The phone number in the ad is for Miami, FL.

Is there anyone down there that can let some air out of this scammers tires?

Mike

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at July 07. 2018

 

Previously michael_sullivan wrote:

The phone number in the ad is for Miami, FL.

Is there anyone down there that can let some air out of this scammers tires?

Mike

 

That would be this ad with a phone #:     https://www.racebikemart.com/adverts/1961_Norton_ES2_Featherbed_500_Single__1511443680.php

 

This being a coil ignition model, maybe someone should ask him about the mag he mentions. Or just mention a referral to the police for fraud.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at October 30. 2018

I'm reviving this post to mention some classified ads that I've seen posted here recently for very nice but very under-priced bikes. A recent ad disappeared within a week('53 Manx) and another is current. One of the things I see in common in these ads is a lack of any history on the part of the owner on this forum. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I would sure check out the situation of anyone posting here that isn't familiar before any contact.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at October 31. 2018

Do you mean the Inter for £13,000 which is just expensive enough to make it seem genuine?

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at October 31. 2018

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1001537

You decide. Time for the club to vet some ads.

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Posted by ian_soady at November 01. 2018

Does look awfully similar......

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at November 01. 2018

Looks to me like the same bike and same location as well. If it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk...................    If I am mistaken, I will wholeheartedly apologize.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at November 01. 2018

And in fact some of the same wording. I wonder whether the advertiser would care to respond? No, I thought not.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at November 02. 2018

How exactly do we alert the powers to investigate this? Damned if I can figure.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at November 02. 2018

Hi Michael.

I've emailed Dave Kington, web manager with details.

Thanks for raising this.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at November 03. 2018

I've had the following from Dave:

"Hi Ian,

The offending ad has been deleted.   It's the second one we've had from someone in the US who joined for the first time and then placed a dodgy ad."

I think we should all keep our eyes open. There are frequent fraudulent listings on ebay which I always report and they disappear in short order. It's worth a few minutes of my time if it saves a genuine enthusiast heartache and cash.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by richard_payne at November 03. 2018

Does this mean that criminals are now joing the NOC, paying an annual subscription etc. simply to be able to place false adverts ? Presumably they're hoping for a downpayment...I would hate to think that they were actually Norton Owners who scam on the side.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at November 04. 2018

As long as we keep an eye out, we'll all benefit from their subscriptions. Do you actually have to be a member to post an ad?

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by richard_payne at November 04. 2018

I thought that you did, Ian and the reply that you got refers to 'joined for the first time'.

I don't know for sure. I always forget that the classified is there when I need parts and I'm hopeless at getting round to selling anything !

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at November 04. 2018

I believe that anyone can create a forum account (not just NOC members) and then post ads. Maybe something that should be addressed?

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by webmaster at November 04. 2018

This is not the case.   Only paid up members of the NOC can use the forum, or post adverts.

We do accept classifieds from non-members (for a fee..), but these are clearly marked as by non-members. (they have 'non member' as the posters name).

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by john_day at November 04. 2018

Another one on e bay at the moment 600 single £2500

Look at his other offers

P.s. I have put in a notification of fraud

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by ian_soady at November 04. 2018

TBH I'm not sure about them as they do have reserves which the scams usually don't......

They also suggest contacting via ebay and there isn't an email (often as an image) which there generally is on the scammers' entries.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at November 04. 2018

Today searching Google "Norton ES2 for sale" images, I easily found my bike, a photo I took, for sale here:

https://www.classicbritishspares.com/pages/motorcycles-for-sale

scroll down to find it.  A friend now owns it, a true-blue scouser btw, in Indiana. Photos poached off of Craigslist, in this case, but could be from anywhere.  Don't send money anywhere without extreme care!

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by David Cooper at November 04. 2018

Interesting that the mag and dynamo have been rebuilt on a coil ignition bike with alternator.  Worrying that the alleged seller knows enough about bikes to understand that bikes of that era might have such things.  So he's making a living out of his fraud.

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Michael Rettie at November 09. 2018

More fraud in our classifieds. Look!

Re: Beware Fraudulent '61 ES2 Ad

Posted by Richard Tool at November 17. 2018

500 cc Featherbed Inter up on UK EBay motors - seller will let it go for 5400 GBP - yeah , right .

What are the chances of this being legit ?

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