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V6 engine concept

Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 08. 2018

Hello all I have been thinking Of a V six  based on the bore and stroke of the Jubilee 60x44 which will make a nice 750V six,  with 4 valves per cylinder   DOHC Geared valve train with a bolt on gearbox  made from aircraft grade alloy bullet machined cases  horizontally split cylinder blocks made form the same alloys CNC machined and wet liners fitted and oil cooled with a built-up crankshaft something like the 961 has,  it would be light and compacted less than 18 inches across, and power output around 120 bhp  then fitted into my designed spine frame made from chromoly alloy  I have no designs on paper all my designs are in my brainbox  I can see them in my mind every componant  and diamentions and the mathmatics of it all ,  but there is one hitch  lack of cash to build it so it will stay were it is,  just like to share my thoughts  with you,   yours  anna j

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Posted by david_evans at January 08. 2018

"I have no designs on paper all my designs are in my brainbox"

That's scary

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 09. 2018

Previously david_evans wrote:

"I have no designs on paper all my designs are in my brainbox"

That's scary

Hello How do you mean it's Scary  there is nothing wrong with designing in your head thats where the secrets are kept  engineers for years have done their design in the head and have a preview of them in their minds and can see every nut and bolts and where there to be situated and they do mental-arithmetics to and the final design  we can do all this in our mind without the use of paper  you use forward imagination and visualisation of a subject  just like you do mathematics,  I do have a diffrent blood type to most  O RH Negative its the giver of life as this blood type can be given to anyone  where as we can only have our own blood type back its said by sientists  to be blood not of this earth  as it dose not conform to nature  A bit like me do not conform to anything   well have fun   yours  anna j

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Posted by John Hall at January 11. 2018

Never mind mate,  if your V6 is a flight of fancy, let it stay that way! You have to finish repairing that real Norton of yours first, then you can dream of V6 prototypes and spine frames!

 

As for O rhesus negative, i leave that to the monkeys to work out!

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Posted by ian_bradley at January 11. 2018

Wow . I’m still coming to terms with times tables in my head!!!

Ian

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 11. 2018

Previously ian_bradley wrote:

Wow . I’m still coming to terms with times tables in my head!!!

Ian

Well, Ian, I do trigonometry in my head So what is a tetrahedron!

Well seeing no ones answered this question, I now Answer it for all of you

A Tetrahedron is a three-dimensional triangle  with equilateral sides    ok   yours   anna j

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 11. 2018

Previously john_hall1 wrote:

Never mind mate,  if your V6 is a flight of fancy, let it stay that way! You have to finish repairing that real Norton of yours first, then you can dream of V6 prototypes and spine frames!

 

As for O rhesus negative, i leave that to the monkeys to work out!

well thank for your support  but for now its on the back burner on my mind but I am looking to do something farther  later after I do some research and pricing on metals and parts castings  but I may be able to do my own castings after making a small Furness from an old Calor gas bottle and firebrick it inside and I can make my own drag boxes  doing the CAD design work with being the first task  as I need a three D Cad Design pack for my computer, as for alloy billet aircraft grade  can be bought from Ebay as can some of the other motorcycle parts that can be utilized   its not in the bounds of an impossabliy with in time     someone thing on the same line as me  latest compact v6 engine   how would you like this engine in your norton V6                                              yours anna j

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 16. 2018

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously john_hall1 wrote:

Never mind mate,  if your V6 is a flight of fancy, let it stay that way! You have to finish repairing that real Norton of yours first, then you can dream of V6 prototypes and spine frames!

 

As for O rhesus negative, i leave that to the monkeys to work out!

well thank for your support  but for now its on the back burner on my mind but I am looking to do something farther  later after I do some research and pricing on metals and parts castings  but I may be able to do my own castings after making a small Furness from an old Calor gas bottle and firebrick it inside and I can make my own drag boxes  doing the CAD design work with being the first task  as I need a three D Cad Design pack for my computer, as for alloy billet aircraft grade  can be bought from Ebay as can some of the other motorcycle parts that can be utilized   its not in the bounds of an impossabliy with in time     someone thing on the same line as me  latest compact v6 engine   how would you like this engine in your norton V6                                              yours anna j

get your v6 here

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Posted by Dan Field at January 16. 2018

The jubilee is over square so it would be high reving ( by norton standards anyway!)  one thing we do have in common Anna, our blood group!

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Posted by ian_cordes at January 16. 2018

I'm sorry to rain on your parade Anna, but it has already been done. The Horex VR6 has followed the current trend of more cubes, so it is 1200cc, but it is a dohc V6 motorcycle which is already in existence.

TBH a 750 V6 is massively over complicated for a meagre 120bhp output, when current across the frame 4's are turning out 140bhp from 600cc. The Horex produces around 170bhp, more in line with current superbikes, but in a street bike configuration.

I cannot see a market for your idea, although I like your thinkng!.

Now if you were to add 2 more cylinders and make it 1000cc transverse V8, there's a thought!!

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Posted by david_evans at January 17. 2018

Just screw two Triumph Street Triple engines together 76 X 49mm 108 BHP each nought to casualty in about 10 seconds by my reckoning. Jeez, one of those is fast enough to get me in serious trouble. My Commando used to make me smile. The top of my head unhinged on the ST

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 18. 2018

Previously Dan Field wrote:

The jubilee is over square so it would be high reving ( by norton standards anyway!)  one thing we do have in common Anna, our blood group!

 

hello Dan well I was basing the bore and stroke on the Jubilee 60x44  small and compact  engine with high revs  at 125cc per cylinder you will get a 750 but if anyone can make a v4 out of two jubilee motor you have a good 500 v 4 with over 46 bhp  or a v4 navigator 700 with 80 bhp with good engineering tooling   you can make what you like, look at Allen Millard he made a 1500 v12 from two Kawasaki sixes the possibility are endless  you can buy aircraft billet alloy from eBay and most othe metals matreils  and if your the same blood group as me you have a good IQ  and extra sences  and with some hard practis you can be telipathic and read minds  and you have a low blood pressuer and blue eyes blond or red hair I was a blond bomshell when I was in my teens and had bright blue eyes  now I old and decrepid at 64 only 18 months to my pention and do not feel like retiring  I like to keep going untill I drop and cart me off to boneyard  and I have never felt I am alone  even when I am 99% of the time  I feel man on this planet as never been alone ET is whatching  us all 5 million ufo sitings cannot be wrong  even very credible men have witnested this  now I am off topic but this is a forum after all   and people are just as important as there machines   yours anna j

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 18. 2018

Previously ian_cordes wrote:

I'm sorry to rain on your parade Anna, but it has already been done. The Horex VR6 has followed the current trend of more cubes, so it is 1200cc, but it is a dohc V6 motorcycle which is already in existence.

TBH a 750 V6 is massively over complicated for a meagre 120bhp output, when current across the frame 4's are turning out 140bhp from 600cc. The Horex produces around 170bhp, more in line with current superbikes, but in a street bike configuration.

I cannot see a market for your idea, although I like your thinkng!.

Now if you were to add 2 more cylinders and make it 1000cc transverse V8, there's a thought!!

hello yes, I would love a VR6 Horex but there £22k if you can get your hand on one and you have to Germany to buy one,  but a great motorcycle, all the same,  the best 600 today is the Triumph tt600  and Honda cbr600  in my book but I do really like the CB1100EX  very much  best motorcycle Honda made to date,  you could ride this around the world with no bother,  a very nice long distance road bike,  as you need to ride without any aches and pains  as this makes you uncumfortuble  and wares you down very easy  witch you do not want,  and a sports bike is not that cumfortuble  on a long run and not to good at my age  that why I like my Norton manxman its nice a cumfortuble to ride,                       yours  anna j

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Posted by John Hall at January 18. 2018

Put two Hillman Imps engines together and U can have a V8!

 

Over square bore either 68 x 60.37; 70 x 60.37 72.5 x 60.37 and more.......ad infinitum, well not really but......

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Posted by david_evans at January 18. 2018

If you screw two engines together, I doubt you will see double the BHP of each engine

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Posted by arne_eftestol at January 19. 2018

Anna

Could you please elaborate on the term "alloy billet aircraft grade" as this  seems to be a very interesting material...

Regards

Arne

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Posted by patrick_mullen at January 19. 2018

Hello Anna,

V4s and V6s are so old fashioned !;  they remind me of 1960's Ford Transits.  Could you manage a V12 ?  Maybe a V16. Say with two twin scroll turbochargers, double VANOS with variable valve lift and a 16 speed auto gearbox.   That would breathe a bit of performance into the Jubilee.! Ferrari say they are sticking with the naturally aspirated V12s for another couple of years but they see future engines as hybrid/electric so very disappointing.

Patrick

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 19. 2018

Previously patrick_mullen wrote:

Hello Anna,

V4s and V6s are so old fashioned !;  they remind me of 1960's Ford Transits.  Could you manage a V12 ?  Maybe a V16. Say with two twin scroll turbochargers, double VANOS with variable valve lift and a 16 speed auto gearbox.   That would breathe a bit of performance into the Jubilee.! Ferrari say they are sticking with the naturally aspirated V12s for another couple of years but they see future engines as hybrid/electric so very disappointing.

Patrick

Hello, Patrick wile I vote on green technology we already have some very advanced technology so advanced it would blow your mind,  like symbiotic interaction with your vehicle, in layman's terms all you need to do it think about were you need to go and concentrate on this and your vehicle will take you there  and it will be powered by free energy, having said this where now going to get members telling me about physics well to update you all on this subject  physics is now been overtaken by nanophysics witch now can explain the free energy phyicis   and how it all works   and yes  the V configeration have been about since the internal  combustion engine was invented and even todays Norton Motorcycles are exploting this configeration  with there V4 1200 so what new, not much in old technology like what been made today or what were all own and riding , and yes the V6 is like your Transit van  but they where very good engines and proved to be very tough to beat, but there has not been Small compact V6s Like what I am proposing   using the 125cc configeration  then timeing it by 6 and you have a small compact V6 750cc motor that packs a puch and can be made to run well with Euro type 6  as this a small bore and stroke and should run greener and fitted into a freatherbed type spin frame and modern runnig gear should do well as then you can keep the weight down and a low center of gravity  to make it handles well and stick to the road like glue,  and even on corners at a 100mph or over, and a 750cc machnie we can all enjoy  also then you can go a bit bigger with using the 150cc per cylnider time by six and you have a V6 900cc  buy using common parts   the Burt Hopwood modular parts configeration  this is the engineers why of keeping costs down to a minum witch is only a good thing in business,  and to conform to the EU anti-tampering you could then use your own fasting system like the Y drive fasteners  making construsion of a vehiche even more cost efective,      yours    anna j

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Posted by richard_cornish at January 20. 2018

Hi Anna/et al,

   How about an 18 cylinder triple crank forced induction 2 stroke? Oh dam, somebody beat us to it and made them in the '60s, I guess it's too old fashioned now.

Regards, Richard.

P.S. James ( Pa ) Norton designed a desmodromic valve gear in the early 1920s, There's nothing new under the sun !                                                                                                                         

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Posted by Barry Carson at January 21. 2018

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Posted by David Cooper at January 21. 2018

Barry... What a laugh on a wet day! Total hogwash from start to finish! I hope I don't really have to point out to Anna that he fails to mention the energy given off as light and heat. This is drawn from the battery and lost from the system, so it runs it down no matter how cleverly the circuit is put together. But it is sad that this kind of balderdash is not only published but actually believed.

The final circuits are of course deliberately drawn in an attempt to show the cleverness of the inventor. We the reader cannot really follow it, can we? So he must be so clever that he cannot be wrong, and cannot tell lies! Wrong on both counts of course!

The perpetual motion machine has been illustrated innumerable times down the centuries but never demonstrated simply because the Laws of Thermodynamics do not allow it to exist.

I look forward to Anna's electric bike which will run forever on four ' AA' batteries!

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Posted by Barry Carson at January 21. 2018

 David. i understood the first 2 pages then i got lost when it was trying to explain the switching of the system. at least it made you laugh . smiley

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Posted by John Hall at January 21. 2018

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously Dan Field wrote:

The jubilee is over square so it would be high reving ( by norton standards anyway!)  one thing we do have in common Anna, our blood group!

 

hello Dan well I was basing the bore and stroke on the Jubilee 60x44  small and compact  engine with high revs  at 125cc per cylinder you will get a 750 but if anyone can make a v4 out of two jubilee motor you have a good 500 v 4 with over 46 bhp  or a v4 navigator 700 with 80 bhp with good engineering tooling   you can make what you like, look at Allen Millard he made a 1500 v12 from two Kawasaki sixes the possibility are endless  you can buy aircraft billet alloy from eBay and most othe metals matreils  and if your the same blood group as me you have a good IQ  and extra sences  and with some hard practis you can be telipathic and read minds  and you have a low blood pressuer and blue eyes blond or red hair I was a blond bomshell when I was in my teens and had bright blue eyes  now I old and decrepid at 64 only 18 months to my pention and do not feel like retiring  I like to keep going untill I drop and cart me off to boneyard  and I have never felt I am alone  even when I am 99% of the time  I feel man on this planet as never been alone ET is whatching  us all 5 million ufo sitings cannot be wrong  even very credible men have witnested this  now I am off topic but this is a forum after all   and people are just as important as there machines   yours anna j

Does rhesus negative make people crap at spelling? Just teasing my mate!

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Posted by mike_sullivan at January 22. 2018

Ah, good old Tesla - I'm not knocking his work on electrickery, but lets look at some other aspects of the man behind the science...

Fixated on the number 3, creator of a 'death ray' (oh, surprise, the US military lost his notes), & rather more worrying, let's not forget his support for Eugenics (a pseudo 'science' at the root of some really unpleasant 20th Century activities) .

The bit I really like is that he's the chap who was in love with a pigeon:

"I loved that pigeon as a man loves a woman, and she loved me. As long as I had her, there was a purpose to my life."

 

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Posted by peter_stowe at January 22. 2018

Being a genius in one field does not preclude a man being a fool in other fields. Newton spent the last part of his life chasing the dream of alchemy.

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Posted by anna jeannette Dixon at January 22. 2018

Previously david_evans wrote:

Just screw two Triumph Street Triple engines together 76 X 49mm 108 BHP each nought to casualty in about 10 seconds by my reckoning. Jeez, one of those is fast enough to get me in serious trouble. My Commando used to make me smile. The top of my head unhinged on the ST

hello, you're not getting what I was on with small cylinders produce less CO2  and spread the power band  so they will be a cleaner running engine and better power output than any single or twin or v4 for that matter    but al you guys can do is make jokes  sorry I put this on here  just ignore me, like you lot often do, your anna J

 

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Posted by David Cooper at January 22. 2018

https://blog.caranddriver.com/why-0-5-liter-cylinders-will-soon-dominate-automotive-engine-design/

Here is an interesting article about optimum engine cylinder dimensions.

It looks like James Lansdown Norton was pretty near spot on with his earliest engne designs. Hooray! We need 500 undersquare singles (or double them for 1000cc twins...etc).

Only racers working within a formula  need maximum power from a particular capacity. Practical road vehicles need maximum power for given amount of fuel. I'd contend that racing has in this sense not done road users any favours.

So let's have that 3 litreV6. But not for most of us....

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Posted by mike_sullivan at January 23. 2018

' ...Newton spent the last part of his life chasing the dream of alchemy...'

I'd argue that he was an alchemist first (& one of the last), researching natural & material sciences, interested in sacred geometry (Temple of Solomon), Biblical studies, etc. Modern sciences stems from alchemy & the search for chimeras such as the Philosopher's Stone; as an alchemist he would not have been considered a fool by his peers & I wouldn't consider him to be one either.

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Posted by John Hall at January 23. 2018

Previously anna jeannette Dixon wrote:

Previously david_evans wrote:

Just screw two Triumph Street Triple engines together 76 X 49mm 108 BHP each nought to casualty in about 10 seconds by my reckoning. Jeez, one of those is fast enough to get me in serious trouble. My Commando used to make me smile. The top of my head unhinged on the ST

hello, you're not getting what I was on with small cylinders produce less CO2  and spread the power band  so they will be a cleaner running engine and better power output than any single or twin or v4 for that matter    but al you guys can do is make jokes  sorry I put this on here  just ignore me, like you lot often do, your anna J

C'mon you know you will get a bit of stick, it is good to share ideas! Get a thicker skin mate, this site is quite genteel!

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Posted by John Hall at January 23. 2018

I am led to believe he wrote more words on Biblical Theology than Science!

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